From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,7fb761492573daee X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: dewar@cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Subject: Re: First Language Debate etc. Date: 1995/04/20 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 101283306 references: <3mq0jd$r10@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> <0jZPp6C00WBMQAQVNS@andrew.cmu.edu> organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: 1995-04-20T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Deepak Kumar says: "4) What about Ada? I would like to use Ada in CS1, but it also suffers from point 1 above :-( no decent programming environment for CS1. I will be using Ada in CS2 (using the SUN Ada Compiler and possible GNAT, when we get to the Ada95 parts). Will share experiences when we get there." you may want to take a look at GNAT even for Ada 83, the lack of a library removes one real conceptual obstacle for starting students, and I think the error messages, particularly for typical student mistakes, are better, but don't take my word for it (pay your $0 and buy a copy and evaluate it :-) Of course you are quite right about environments, and that is something we really hope to see improved later this year with GNAT. By the way do I take it you are using Unix for CS2, that seems rather inconsistent with worrying about nice environments :-)