From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,2c41845dd8e1b7c4 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-05-13 13:35:04 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.clear.net.nz!news.clear.net.nz.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:35:04 -0500 From: Craig Carey Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Problem space (Re: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Adamandate...)) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:35:01 +1200 Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Customer of Mercury Telecommunications Ltd Cache-Post-Path: drone5.qsi.net.nz!unknown@tnt1-124.quicksilver.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: drone5-svc-skyt.qsi.net.nz X-Original-Trace: 14 May 2003 08:34:59 +1200, drone5-svc-skyt.qsi.net.nz NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.97.37.6 X-Trace: sv3-Fsxyl63j+ySwnwn+d+kuK9eXmztHBOdb3DVjLuMOPk1zJybqJETOkFypaBq+57iI4HdCLPmd0Li6T18!7wHgnI3YpqHi15kk/zMSM29nB+p3tvz4DK+d+vJDFW6DG+LWF2SlqIxl8JwIxVnLEgZQDbVPAzgV!Mv2+Txk= X-Complaints-To: Complaints to abuse@clear.net.nz X-DMCA-Complaints-To: Complaints to abuse@clear.net.nz X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:37297 Date: 2003-05-14T08:35:01+12:00 List-Id: On Mon, 12 May 2003 05:31:30 +0400 (MSD), "Alexandre E. Kopilovitch" wrote: >"Robert I. Eachus" wrote: ... > >Alexander Kopilovitch aek@vib.usr.pu.ru >Saint-Petersburg >Russia Hi Mr Kopilovitch. My Usenet client has displayed this message you sent, i.e. the first in the thread, into an entirely new thread. The headers of the message lack sufficient information to allow success to any client. Just to have a bat at why Mr Kopilovitch's last message was incorrectly threaded, I offer this hypothesis: [1] A DOS Usenet client run under Wine is too dumb and old to allow messages to be sent (but it can receive them). I won't offer a details about the DOS Usenet client. A detail is that the http://www.rfc1149.net/ gateway system is resulting in fragmented threads and it is not a result of an evasion of censoring. I quote from Mr Kopilovitch's first message; and I ask readers to swap the words: "the problem area"; with the words "the newer Usenet client". Here is the text now under consideration: -------------- At Mon, 12 May 2003 05:31:30 +0400 (MSD), Alexandre E. Kopilovitch wrote: Subject: Problem space (Re: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate...)) > But that truth should be also considered from the opposite direction: >if you (your team) can't deal efficiently with problem space for any reason >(most often because you either aren't familiar with the problem area >[the newer Usenet client] ...) then you should not expect better >perfomance using Ada. -------------- That is implausible. Indeed it was true in a wide sense, then Ada 95 Code optimizers that are not familiar with the larger picture, would not be able to optimize Ada unoptimized Ada assembly code. It is the case that the idea, "you or your group", can't be expanded to so that it includes software implementing artificial intelligence (AI) of maybe any sort. Yet the first author maintains Ada bindings to Prolog: At 2002\09\04 01:21 +0400 Wednesday, Alexandre E. Kopilovitch wrote to Team-Ada (http://www.acm.org/archives/team-ada.html ): >New release (0.2) of TAP (Thick Ada-Prolog) bindings replaced previous one > at > > http://www.tarkvara.com/tap > -- An excellent solution would be to close the e-mail to Usenet gateway. I personally have had insufficient success with my private messages to the users of the gateway in France that is causing many of these thread fragmenting problems. Thread fragmenting at omp.lang.ada is done by a quite small number of people who don't seem to have the robust explanation that might be appropriate, once written to privately. There does not seem to a factual basis for the idea that complaints should be private rather than thoughout the split-off threads. It would be interesting to have Mr Tardieu and maybe Mr Christopher Grein write in explaining the rationale or whatever.