From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 107f24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid107f24,public X-Google-Thread: f4fd2,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gidf4fd2,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,ea8ea502d35ca2ce X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 103d24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid103d24,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-05-05 17:03:21 PST Path: newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!not-for-mail From: Dale Stanbrough Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.scheme Subject: Re: Beginner's Language? Organization: RMIT References: <9cukad$nn68@news-dxb> <3AF4841D.7B63812C@Desk.org> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 00:03:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.132.94.47 X-Complaints-To: news@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 989107400 144.132.94.47 (Sun, 06 May 2001 10:03:20 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 10:03:20 EST Xref: newsfeed.google.com comp.lang.ada:7217 comp.lang.lisp:9726 comp.lang.smalltalk:9480 comp.lang.functional:5527 comp.lang.scheme:3644 Date: 2001-05-06T00:03:20+00:00 List-Id: Reinout Heeck wrote: > In the case of Smalltalk you will need to slightly change that > statement: the core system is very tiny, all the functionality is in > it's class library. That even goes as far as that the core does not > implement control flow, the libraries do. Restricting one to only part > of the libraries is wat every programmer does. Even then i would not teach students about converting values into messages, which are (i think) not implemented in a library, but as part of the language itself. Perhaps Forth would have been a better example? Dale