From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 107f24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid107f24,public X-Google-Thread: f4fd2,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gidf4fd2,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,ea8ea502d35ca2ce X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 103d24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid103d24,public X-Google-Thread: 106e63,4d69155937632764 X-Google-Attributes: gid106e63,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-05-05 20:38:02 PST Path: newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!not-for-mail From: Dale Stanbrough Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.smalltalk.advocacy,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.scheme Subject: Re: Beginner's Language? Organization: RMIT References: <9cukad$nn68@news-dxb> <3AF4841D.7B63812C@Desk.org> <3AF4AD27.BE4B5678@Desk.org> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 03:38:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.132.94.47 X-Complaints-To: news@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 989120281 144.132.94.47 (Sun, 06 May 2001 13:38:01 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 13:38:01 EST Xref: newsfeed.google.com comp.lang.ada:7223 comp.lang.lisp:9734 comp.lang.functional:5532 comp.lang.scheme:3647 Date: 2001-05-06T03:38:01+00:00 List-Id: Reinout Heeck wrote: > I don't understand what you are getting at. Messaging is indeed part of > the core system but values are not messages, values are objects in a > Smalltalk system and messages return those values. But what do you mean > when you say 'converting values into messages' ? If you are referring to > the need to use messages to get to instance variables I'd say that is a > real good thing, it hides implementation and thus keeps changes in > implementation local. You can have values such as '#doSoemthing' (it's been a -long- time since i've done Smalltalk, so please forgive if i get the syntax wrong). You can convert this symbol into a method call to a routine called 'doSomething' >> Perhaps Forth would have been a better example? > Of what? ...of what you were attempting to demonstrate; a language which has extremely simple semantics with no need to subset it for teaching purposes, and almost everything placed into a library. > The Forth ANSI standard is small enough to be grasped by a single person > so there is no need to aim at a restricted set there. This was my point. Dale