From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: 103376,b30bd69fa8f63cb2 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-06-13 07:43:30 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: kanze@gabi-soft.fr Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: C bug of the day Date: 13 Jun 2003 07:43:30 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Message-ID: References: <1054751321.434656@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <82347202.0306101232.16776a81@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.160.54.162 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1055515410 13416 127.0.0.1 (13 Jun 2003 14:43:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jun 2003 14:43:30 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:39120 Date: 2003-06-13T14:43:30+00:00 List-Id: "AG" wrote in message news:... > wrote in message > news:d6652001.0306120439.75bdfe78@posting.google.com... > > Obviously, you concentrate on the most important problems first:-). > > Good luck. (I rather doubt that a language can be both safe and > > popular. History, at any rate, is against you.) > Mind if I try to take it on a bit of a tangent? > Why do you think the things like TDD and unit-testing are getting so > much attention lately? Could it (possibly) be that they just try to > fill-in the role that a safe language would do as a matter of course? I'm not sure that they are getting as much attention as they need, even now. And even with Ada, I'm sure that I'd insist on unit tests. > Sort of trying to compensate for deficiencies of a language with some > home-grown solutions? I don't think so. Unit tests are essential, regardless of the language. Some errors simply cannot be caught until run-time. Of course, if a shop is well run, the unit tests will run clean first time. But they remain necessary to keep the programmers honest. -- James Kanze GABI Software mailto:kanze@gabi-soft.fr Conseils en informatique orient�e objet/ Beratung in objektorientierter Datenverarbeitung 11 rue de Rambouillet, 78460 Chevreuse, France, T�l. : +33 (0)1 30 23 45 16