From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a6b:a30a:: with SMTP id m10-v6mr1465547ioe.28.1524668563563; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 08:02:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:5c8d:: with SMTP id a13-v6mr1888039oti.6.1524668563238; Wed, 25 Apr 2018 08:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.uzoreto.com!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!f63-v6no4793428itc.0!news-out.google.com!b185-v6ni5121itb.0!nntp.google.com!f63-v6no4793427itc.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 08:02:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <96a1828a-a1bc-43c3-b51c-434a257e1e8f@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=85.240.220.65; posting-account=rhqvKAoAAABpikMmPHJSZh4400BboHwT NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.240.220.65 References: <0cef0914-30b1-4139-a341-40e8f32f85d9@googlegroups.com> <96a1828a-a1bc-43c3-b51c-434a257e1e8f@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: grassroots level SPARK Initiation From: Mehdi Saada <00120260a@gmail.com> Injection-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 15:02:43 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Bytes: 2702 X-Received-Body-CRC: 1326727343 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:51699 Date: 2018-04-25T08:02:42-07:00 List-Id: The problem is, I have untold difficulties with algorithms. Even-though I m= ay understand easily how they operate in natural language (say, binary sear= ch through a sorted container), I have great troubles actually coding it. I= cannot have in mind the whole thing once I wrote 25+ lines, which is, hum,= unfortunate. Then I'm "forced" to tweak things here and there, until it wo= rks. I know I shouldn't debug like this, and I hate it too. I especially hate no= t knowing what I do. I'm self-taught. You see, I have way much more perseverance than talentedness. Probaly a tad= less naturally talented than your average student. Hence I would like to h= ave the logical structure of I write/would like to write buried in my mind = before touching the keyboard. To think the least possible. That's why finding good, step-by-step materials is vital to me... I saw there was a thing called "propositional" calculus: is it covered by G= ries book ? Were you a patented programmer before reading it ? I read the p= rerequisite is "one year of experience", but I'm not sure what it entails. = One year of being able to actually code for living ? If so I may not be at = here yet. Otherwise, of course I know the basics and purpose of programming= and computer architecture, but I doubt it's enough.. To start I'll go train logical/formal reasoning in math books. Or find old = books on this on the web. If you have suggestions, feel free...