From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,cbdf4b7efd0b03b5 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Gene Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Decline? Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: <47d7de50$0$89175$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk> <6401244f-3062-4f4a-8f19-4e71b6b1ff11@n75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <47d7f5ce$0$99023$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk> <87tzjb8nfa.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 134.240.241.240 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1205431227 7974 127.0.0.1 (13 Mar 2008 18:00:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:00:27 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com; posting-host=134.240.241.240; posting-account=-BkjswoAAACC3NU8b6V8c50JQ2JBOs04 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-Via: 1.0 USMASVGDOIM271 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.648),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:20350 Date: 2008-03-13T11:00:27-07:00 List-Id: On Mar 12, 8:42=A0pm, Ludovic Brenta wrote: > Thomas writes: > > gp...@axonx.com wrote: > > >> If popularity is the major criteria to choose the language we all > >> should use VB. > > >> George. > > > Hehe, good point. > > > I'm not so much worried about the popularity thing - it's more the > > "nonexistent future" statement that made me wonder. > > The paper was published in 2003 and stated the future was "dubious or > nonexistent". =A0Since then: > > * a new revision of the language was published. > * AdaCore and the FSF made several major releases of their compiler and ID= E; > * Aonix released their Eclipse Ada plug-in; > * AdaControl (several releases); > * Ada Web Server (several releases); > * PolyORB (several releases); > * the GNU Ada Project was started; > * the amount of Ada sources shipped as part of Debian went from 576 kSLOC > =A0 to 1 MSLOC (June 2005) to 1.3 MSLOC (April 2007); > * the professional Ada conferences continued to take place; > * Ada was featured at the "Rencontres Mondiales du Logiciel Libre" in 2004= ; > * and again at FOSDEM 2006; > * GNU/Linux Magazine France published a series of 17 articles by Yves > =A0 Bailly, covering all aspects of the language (to the point where > =A0 students I talked to thought Ada was "fashionable") > > I probably forgot lots of other noteworthy events but you get the idea. > > I think that's not too bad for a "dubious or nonexistent future". > Thanks. We're one of the schools mentioned in this depressing document that uses Ada for CS1 and CS2. We're still firm believers that there exist zero better languages for _educating_ computer scientists. Fortunately we also have zero need to train enty level programmers in our CS major, which most schools do. I have to confess that we have recently changed the last semester of the CS3 course to Java for a number of reasons, not least of which is to give students a sense that they may, after lots of hard work, have earned the knowledge to operate in that environment without mother Ada to keep them on the straight path. The Air Force Academy, also mentioned, has, I regret to say, gone over to the dark side.