From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.50.178.165 with SMTP id cz5mr76192653igc.10.1436350082702; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 03:08:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.95.135 with SMTP id i7mr129683qge.27.1436350082580; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 03:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.glorb.com!qs7no2490986igc.0!news-out.google.com!4ni79743qgh.1!nntp.google.com!w90no1677228qge.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 03:08:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=193.251.73.50; posting-account=O3LyFwoAAACc1uh60ZcOUmAGdDmGsEcV NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.251.73.50 References: User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: GNOGA v1.1 Released - Ada Cloud Desktop and Mobile Development From: slos Injection-Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 10:08:02 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:26696 Date: 2015-07-08T03:08:02-07:00 List-Id: Le mercredi 1 juillet 2015 16:43:51 UTC+2, David Botton a =E9crit=A0: > GNOGA v1.1 for Ada is now available from http://gnoga.com or via git from= http://sourceforge.net/projects/gnoga >=20 > V1.1 in addition to bug fixes and vastly increased stability adds: >=20 > Completed multimedia bindings > Easier boot file creation by just including boot.js in any html file > Direct HTTPS and Secure Websockets > HTTP polling with Ajax including fallback support (using auto.html bootfi= le) >=20 > David Botton Dear Mister BOTTON, Thank you very much for providing Gnoga. In Gnoga features, one can read "Write complex web-apps or desktop apps wit= h no HTML or JS" and I can't buy this since even if not writing HTML one ha= s to know it to use Gnoga. I can hardly imagine a web designer writing the Ada code, compiling it, run= ning it and refreshing the page in the browser. So I guess the workflow wou= ld rather be : design a web app with your favourite HTML / CSS / JavaScript= editor, and embed in some Gnoga controls by querying the DOM and adding th= em to it. It seems to me that Gnoga requires direct DOM manipulation to refresh data = where AngularJS (http://angularjs.org/) or RactiveJS (http://ractivejs.org/= ) will provide simpler (user point of view) two-way data binding. I am in no way a web specialist and I try to understand the philosophy of t= he many libraries / frameworks in the field and how Gnoga compares. Gnoga's market place would provide bindings to further libraries. What about D3JS (http://d3js.org/) or Smoothie Charts (http://smoothiechart= s.org/) ? In fact, from my perspective, the application written in Ada should only se= rve the web page and provide the data using websocket to a JavaScript objec= t managing the interaction with the browser / user. Having the Ada application managing the UI seems to require too much overhe= ad, doing DOM manipulation, when the data changes often. I'd like to ear your opinion and thoughts on this please. Best Regards, St=E9phane http://slo-ist.fr/ada4autom