From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: 109fba,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: 115aec,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: f43e6,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,gid109fba,gid115aec,gidf43e6,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!news.glorb.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!newscon06.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.net!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!panix!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail From: comeau@panix.com (Greg Comeau) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c++,comp.realtime,comp.software-eng Subject: Re: Teaching new tricks to an old dog (C++ -->Ada) Date: 13 Mar 2005 09:32:49 -0500 Organization: Comeau Computing; http://www.comeaucomputing.com Message-ID: References: <871xau9nlh.fsf@insalien.org> <1110390097.532139.43430@f14g2000cwb.googlegro <3254889.VeKxRnD1pd@linux1.krischik.com> Reply-To: comeau@comeaucomputing.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1110724369 4022 166.84.1.2 (13 Mar 2005 14:32:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:32:49 +0000 (UTC) Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9315 comp.lang.c++:45414 comp.realtime:1421 comp.software-eng:4984 Date: 2005-03-13T09:32:49-05:00 List-Id: In article <3254889.VeKxRnD1pd@linux1.krischik.com>, Martin Krischik wrote: >Robert A Duff wrote: >> Martin Krischik writes: >>> And they havn't got 100% compliance - as the Ada compiler vendors have. >>> And they can indedd claim that - Ada has the ACATS test - pass the test >>> you are 100% compliant - fail the thest and (almost) no customer will >>> consider your offer. >> >> Now wait. Let's be fair. Sure, the ACATS test suite is a good thing. >> But no test suite can ensure 100% compliance with the language >> standard. Ada compilers do have bugs that are not caught by the ACATS! > >Shure, you are right. However in the end the 100% stuff is all about >marketing - as you said - no compiler is bug free. And in fact nowadays >most of the "chosing a compiler" stuff is about marketing. Not the best >wins but the one average one with the best marketing does. And don't forget comments such as that found in http://www.ada-auth.org/acats.html: "Formal test disputes should submitted to the agent ..." meaning bugs and other things can pop up in other areas too. >And here a CCATS and C++CATS would help a lot. Or could you imagine >any Ada vendor not submitting to running the ACATS? Probably can't imagine it, but in the end, the playing field seem level. >Note to the C/C++ community: when we speak of ACATS we also speak of the Ada >Conformity Assessment Authority (http://www.ada-auth.org/) which actualy >runs the test. Shure anybody can run the test (i.E. with gcc you use "make >-C gcc check-ada" - you need configured gcc sources and a gcc with Ada >enabled) but that is of no marketing value. Probably. FWIW, C++ has always succeeded against horrible marketing. It's unclear whether that is a plus or not, or whether some other way is. -- Greg Comeau / Comeau for the Mac? Stay tuned. Comeau C/C++ ONLINE ==> http://www.comeaucomputing.com/tryitout World Class Compilers: Breathtaking C++, Amazing C99, Fabulous C90. Comeau C/C++ with Dinkumware's Libraries... Have you tried it?