From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,LOTS_OF_MONEY, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: 109fba,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: 115aec,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Thread: f43e6,703c4f68db81387d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,gid109fba,gid115aec,gidf43e6,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news1.google.com!proxad.net!proxad.net!194.159.246.34.MISMATCH!peer-uk.news.demon.net!kibo.news.demon.net!mutlu.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!not-for-mail From: "Paul E. Bennett" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c++,comp.realtime,comp.software-eng Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Teaching new tricks to an old dog (C++ -->Ada) Followup-To: comp.lang.ada Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:18:38 +0000 Organization: HIDECS Consultancy Message-ID: References: <4229bad9$0$1019$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au> <87r7iu85lf.fsf@insalien.org> <1110052142.832650@athnrd02> <42309456$1@news.broadpark.no> Reply-To: peb@amleth.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: amleth.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1110493034 9245 80.176.76.193 (10 Mar 2005 22:17:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:17:14 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: KNode/0.6.1 Mail-Copies-To: mail2news@news.demon.co.uk Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9065 comp.lang.c++:45010 comp.realtime:1216 comp.software-eng:4784 Date: 2005-03-10T22:18:38+00:00 List-Id: xpyttl wrote: > "Preben Randhol" wrote in > message news:42309456$1@news.broadpark.no... > >> C++ programmers will claim to their death that they are infallible and >> everybody else isn't. However, none of them seem to understand how > ignorant >> they are... > > And this is different from Ada programmers how? > > There are obviously two groups here. First, there are the Ada guys who > seem to think that modern C++ is the same language Dennis Ritchie invented > 30 > years ago. Then there are the C++ guys who view Ada as a sort of military > style Cobol. > > The two camps are equally close to the truth. I fall into the third camp. Now, I know a lot of people who do use C, C++, Ada and Java in mission critical systems and do so successfully. Most of them use some form of checking tools (even the Ada guys). It is certainly a long way from the "if it compiles it is right" attitude that has seemed to have been purported by just a very few of the Ada crowd here. I have always held that the language used is immaterial to the safety of final product (I certainly stated it often enough here and in c.a.e). I acknowledge that some things can be made easier or harder by language choice. However, it is mainly in the development process you use where the integrity of the product is nurtured and the evidence of successful development is produced. -- ******************************************************************** Paul E. Bennett .................... Forth based HIDECS Consultancy ..... Mob: +44 (0)7811-639972 Tel: +44 (0)1235-811095 Going Forth Safely ....EBA. http://www.electric-boat-association.org.uk/ ********************************************************************