From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.5-pre1 (2020-06-20) on ip-172-31-74-118.ec2.internal X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.5-pre1 Date: 6 Jun 93 02:42:06 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!wuarchive.wus tl.edu!conn@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Richard Conn) Subject: Re: Non-defense Ada applications - answering several requests Message-ID: List-Id: mfeldman@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Feldman) writes: >In article <1993Jun5.152022.12888@linus.mitre.org> m23588@mwunix.mitre.org (Ri chard Conn) writes: >>One thing I've discovered is that Mike's list will probably never be >>complete. Companies simply do not want to disclose any information >>they don't have to, especially in today's climate, which may give a >>competator a competative advantage if he has any kind of insight into what >>is going on internally. Behind the scenes, I've seen many commercial >>Ada success stories that I can't talk about (proprietary nondisclosure). >I think it would be great if you could get permission from these companies >to reveal that they are using Ada, and only that. Or something in the >form of one of my 2-line listings. Maybe they would agree; you'll >never know till you try. >Another alternative that would not violate nondisclosure would be to >sanitize the project down to "a major bank has written its ATM system >in Ada" or something similar. Even that would help to dispel the myths. Good point, Mike, but one problem is that even a tiny snippet like that can be added to another snippet and so on to the point where the entire picture is formed. I have actually seen it go to the point where a marketeer for company X parked outside the building used for contractor interviews by the government, counting the number of people coming and going, noting (when he knew) what company they represented, noting how long they were interviewed, and all sorts of things. The marketeer for company Y was also in the same parking lot doing the same thing. Consequently, proprietary nondisclosure can, and has, covered everything. Rick -- ==================================================================== Richard Conn, ASR and PAL Manager | conn@wuarchive.wustl.edu