From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,a875d9649dde34e3 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news2.google.com!proxad.net!newsfeed.stueberl.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-ham1.dfn.de!news.zfn.uni-bremen.de!informatik.uni-bremen.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!uni-duisburg.de!not-for-mail From: Georg Bauhaus Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: GWindows and a future home for it Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:45:44 +0000 (UTC) Organization: GMUGHDU Message-ID: References: <4e8fe302b927b504b93983dba6b0d79f@localhost.talkaboutprogramming.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: l1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de X-Trace: a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de 1096843544 23768 134.91.1.34 (3 Oct 2004 22:45:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.uni-duisburg.de NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:45:44 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.5.8-20010221 ("Blue Water") (UNIX) (HP-UX/B.11.00 (9000/800)) Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:4631 Date: 2004-10-03T22:45:44+00:00 List-Id: Marius Amado Alves wrote: :> And then, GPL and commercial or not are two dimensions. : : I wish people would stop saying this as if it were feasible to sell open : source software. I didn't say that you could sell Free Software, only that licensed source code and commercial source code are two different aspects. Still, GPLed software plays its part in commercial software enterprises. Other open source licenses do and did work in commercial software enterprises. It just takes either reason, or enough laywers, to explain to customers that source code /= "gift", unless the contract says so. If people continue to say that delivering source code cannot be done when payment is wanted, it becomes a kind of self-fulfilling prophesy, I think. I find it important to spread the news (huh!) that producing software is work; people are familiar with the idea of paying craftspeople; software producers aren't too different from craftspeople; so, pay them. Some companies do know this, so when they need X they pay other companies' developers who produce X, using an open source license. Not everyone is an opportunistic free rider. It may still take some time to realize that open source software needs maintenance. But without this learning experience (and failures, for sure, that happens during learing) nothing changes. If you hide the process, it cannot be seen, therefore it cannot be understood. -- Georg