From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,714a8558b02b32bb X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-01-21 09:28:40 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!a6202946!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Carter Organization: jrcarter commercial-at acm [period | full stop] org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: GUI was Re: why Ada is so unpopular ? References: <400E7D14.70407@noplace.com> In-Reply-To: <400E7D14.70407@noplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:28:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.184.9.169 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net 1074706120 63.184.9.169 (Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:28:40 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:28:40 PST Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:4607 Date: 2004-01-21T17:28:40+00:00 List-Id: amado.alves wrote: > > There's another way: compromise. In the ASCLWG we eventually managed > to agree upon selecting a pre-existing container library (Charles) to > form the basis of the standard proposal. I didn't take long. The group > was assembled in June 2002 (the Ada Europe workshop in Vienna), and > the proposal was filed in September 2003 (AI-302/2). In the > intervening dense discussion (circa 500 messages on the group list, > plus circa 100 on the ARG forum) every one of us compromised about > something from naming to featured abstractions to iteration methods. But the proposal isn't Charles and is very minimalist. The proposal based on the PragmAda Reusable Components (AI-302-01) has also had to change to something different from the PragmARCs. It's interesting that the original request for proposals asked for existing libraries for a secondary standard, but the actual proposal process forced us to propose new libraries with ARM wording as part of the Ada.* hierarchy. -- Jeff Carter "Run away! Run away!" Monty Python and the Holy Grail 58