From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,b413c7f1e3769865 X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!o16g2000prh.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Adam Beneschan Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Any Ada in this? Or would Ada have helped Toyota save $2b?... Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 12:05:47 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: <1f936af3-0fb7-48f1-8f37-f3a1c5ead2ed@m31g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> <048f46b0-f201-400e-9a8e-ef8b31b6d8f1@u15g2000prd.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.126.103.122 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1265313948 4545 127.0.0.1 (4 Feb 2010 20:05:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 20:05:48 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: o16g2000prh.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.126.103.122; posting-account=duW0ogkAAABjRdnxgLGXDfna0Gc6XqmQ User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.5.21022; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30618),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:8896 Date: 2010-02-04T12:05:47-08:00 List-Id: On Feb 4, 8:58=A0am, Martin wrote: > On Feb 4, 4:14=A0pm, Adam Beneschan wrote: > > > On Feb 4, 4:47=A0am, Martin wrote: > > > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8497471.stm > > > > It's states that this is a software problem but doesn't give > > > details...anyone know anything about this? > > > (1) the linked article is mostly about flaws in the braking system, whi= ch has > > not yet cost Toyota anywhere near $2B; > > It's the figure quoted for lost revenue in the paragraph "Profits > Surge". The $2B loss stems from its "worldwide recall of potentially faulty vehicles". Most of that has to do with *acceleration* (including possibly faulty floor mats that trap the gas pedal), not the braking system. Actually, I don't think there have been any recalls yet due braking system problems. Yannick pointed out that an earlier version of the article did mention a possible software problem involving the braking system. However, this could not have led to the big loss, since the braking system hasn't cost them much so far. As for the acceleration, which *has* cost them a whole lot, I haven't seen anything that positively says it's a software problem. To my mind, it could well be a software problem, but I haven't read about anyone suspecting that (not to the same extent that some suspect a software problem with the brakes). There have been theories that the "electronics" is a problem, but that would include hardware. -- Adam