From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.68.201.7 with SMTP id jw7mr5518437pbc.8.1396096958993; Sat, 29 Mar 2014 05:42:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.117.138 with SMTP id ke10mr6545obb.42.1396096958817; Sat, 29 Mar 2014 05:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.glorb.com!ur14no253053igb.0!news-out.google.com!gi6ni5igc.0!nntp.google.com!ur14no253046igb.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 05:42:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=96.226.229.244; posting-account=zwxLlwoAAAChLBU7oraRzNDnqQYkYbpo NNTP-Posting-Host: 96.226.229.244 References: <1f0a85a6-ea4d-4d30-8537-0ce9063f992a@googlegroups.com> <330b7d3b-4d12-4482-9ed2-2c82a32a6334@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Augusta: An open source Ada 2012 compiler (someday?) From: "Dan'l Miller" Injection-Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 12:42:38 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:19035 Date: 2014-03-29T05:42:38-07:00 List-Id: On Friday, March 28, 2014 3:40:15 PM UTC-5, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 12:20:52 -0700 (PDT), Dan'l Miller wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > [...] >=20 > on Ada's missions. >=20 >=20 >=20 > More important missions for Ada as a language for software engineers IMO >=20 > are: >=20 >=20 >=20 > 1. Portability. Ada has a very good standing here, but lacks support for >=20 > too many vital platforms. There are serious issues with streams, I/O, Ada >=20 > directories. Much must be done for networking and GUI. >=20 >=20 >=20 > 2. Safety on programmer's demand, full integration of SPARK, static check= s >=20 > mandated by the programmer, contracts put on exceptions, >=20 > initialization/finalization fixed, renaming fixed, re-dispatch ditched >=20 >=20 >=20 > 3. Security (no support at all, so far) >=20 >=20 >=20 > 4. Reuse, aspects not covered in 1-3, separate compilation support, dynam= ic >=20 > linking/loading support, MI, MD, proper interfaces, additive and replacin= g >=20 > models of inheritance, interface inheritance. >=20 >=20 >=20 > 5. Concurrency and distributed computing. Little was done since Ada 95. >=20 > Concurrent types lack integration with the type system. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Dmitry A. Kazakov >=20 > http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de No, Dmitry, those are not "more important"; they are merely features that a= ccomplish some greater mission. I speak of the greater missions. For exam= ple, the portions of your #4 are features that permit programming in the la= rge, which is needed by my #1, the military-aerospace industry. The alread= y-existing of your #5 has always (since Ada1983 and Green) been viewed as e= ssential to my #1. The new innovations in your #5 would largely catch Ada2= 02X up to the (perceived-)innovations in C++2011 regarding concurrency; see= N2239, N2427, N2748, N2752, N2429, N2664, N2179, N2547, N2659, and N2660 a= t http://clang.llvm.org/cxx_status.html; the new innovations in your #5 wou= ld be contained within my #3.