From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a6b:b503:: with SMTP id e3-v6mr6232193iof.18.1526661624314; Fri, 18 May 2018 09:40:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:4712:: with SMTP id a18-v6mr181175otf.1.1526661624073; Fri, 18 May 2018 09:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.unit0.net!newsreader5.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!peer02.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer02.am4!peer.am4.highwinds-media.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!v8-v6no1755661itc.0!news-out.google.com!f20-v6ni1931itd.0!nntp.google.com!u74-v6no1731642itb.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 09:40:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6f85815e-f1a6-4c2c-8500-041ef786a372@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=47.185.233.194; posting-account=zwxLlwoAAAChLBU7oraRzNDnqQYkYbpo NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.185.233.194 References: <6420bab2-0aef-4d36-b978-525e4de45e7e@googlegroups.com> <6f85815e-f1a6-4c2c-8500-041ef786a372@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_meaningfully=2Fcompellingly_=E2=80=9Cadvertising=E2=80=9D_Ada_?= =?UTF-8?Q?on_StackOverflow?= From: "Dan'l Miller" Injection-Date: Fri, 18 May 2018 16:40:24 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Bytes: 4037 X-Received-Body-CRC: 160437572 Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:52437 Date: 2018-05-18T09:40:23-07:00 List-Id: On Friday, May 18, 2018 at 10:43:50 AM UTC-5, John Perry wrote: > On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 9:27:12 AM UTC-5, Dan'l Miller wrote: > > One thing to help Ada =E2=80=9Ccross the chasm=E2=80=9D would be for ea= ch of the how-can-I-do-this-in-Ada questions posted here on c.l.a to also b= e posted in StackOverflow with (at least) the tag Ada. ... >=20 > I hope you aren't too upset that I seem to have hijacked your thread! I d= o think this would be a > worthwhile endeavor. Oh, I am not upset at all. All ways of incrementally helping Ada =E2=80=9C= cross the chasm=E2=80=9D in getting the word out to increase mindshare are = welcome! Also, please realize that the feedback that you are getting here on c.l.a r= egarding safe versus unsafe Ada is intended to be constructive criticism, l= ikely pursuant to adding another full-fledged safe (e.g., with ISO-standard= containers) design-in-repository & row-in-table for Ada. I think that eve= ryone here applauds any & all efforts that you are doing, regardless of pur= ity of safety. (Perhaps let someone else be the standard-bearer of safety-= purity in that repository.) I try to devise topics here on c.l.a that invigorate Ada, or at least invig= orate motivations & fervor regarding polishing off Ada's tarnish to make Ad= a shine brightly. (I remember throughout the 1980s the awe in which we as = college students were in regarding both dominant Ada and the catch-up mode = that scrappy C++ was in to come from behind to =E2=80=98beat=E2=80=99 Ada; = it was heady exciting times back then that I haven't really seen again unti= l perhaps Rust lately.*) I never know precisely where the conversation wil= l go when I make a stimulating top-level posting here on c.l.a, but replies= /outcomes just like yours are exactly what I envision occurring when I post= a stimulating top-level posting on c.l.a. (Sometimes I do it via a stimul= ating reply on someone else's top-level posting too.) * Java's big flash in the pan during the mid-1990s was a huge snoozefesh ey= e-roll by comparison. Yea rah big breakthrough for humankind: named-goto= -labels on continue & break, plus =E2=80=A2lack=E2=80=A2 of truly solving t= he null-pointer problem phthphthphthpth. Swing was Java's only truly great= achievement but Swing could have been done in any language (e.g., Qt or Wx= Widgets on C++ if either one of them had had Sun Microsystems' then-deep po= ckets to bankroll them; or likewise an analogue of Qt or WxWidgets for Ada9= 5). Sun's deep pockets made Swing a success, not Java-the-language.