From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,11414a19b0e4a97a X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!feeder2.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!195.71.90.67.MISMATCH!news.unit0.net!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!news2.arglkargh.de!news.theremailer.net!frell.theremailer.net!anonymous DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=frell.theremailer.net; s=remailer; h=Message-ID:Subject:Newsgroups:Comments:From:Date; bh=01+p8RHGm4Mzx08Uw5FrgNjSKl1VrMJwDiGkup25eXE=; b=ALbjXrMRm1IZ+lf06Kb8iJVB3/X5iO4MHB8qTyYgX7PwJkSKorE/WYFioPEY+ZiHJN+utIgg0bBw2XO9FmTKCme0XHIQvinsp4PuS8Q51CXlgwiJhxS0vl+rt/f+WV296ToqSPctWP8uq7wpzfDATBAHThqKHxy1FT5lgpRgT1oSGDzKxfboMbJf36bKbrny0buuEzjxbXR7Vv1OVb6thomLR1fqXXArzLFgKPP/FCygfxrQNDkJ3yah2GYjvjKc0/dDhZ0L65QaRntRl78b2RjoVnaZfMpgSIdJOjaNy3GApqfHWmmnsdm7Ir+Kp93MHyqB9/vYv9n8uTJ1mk2prXY=; Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 19:44:34 +0200 From: Fritz Wuehler Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above. It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software. Please report problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator at . Identifying the real sender is technically impossible. Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Advice on selling Ada to a C shop References: <87hbkym4i2.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> Message-ID: Precedence: anon Mail-To-News-Contact: abuse@frell.theremailer.net Organization: Frell Anonymous Remailer Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:11837 Date: 2010-06-20T19:44:34+02:00 List-Id: > People with a prejudice against Ada will try to find any excuse to > justify their rejection. I think the main excuse they will try is "we > cannot find Ada programmers". To remove this excuse, it is of paramount > importance that you show that (a) you know Ada and have experience with > it, so you can be the "in-house expert" and (b) there is a wide offering > of books, training courses, compilers, libraries and commercial support > for the language. If so, then the game is already over. There were days when the best tool won, if after a little competition. Unfortunately now we are in the days of software ruled by idiot bean counters and MBAs, and worse, the stock market. There is no such thing as vision that goes past the end of this quarter. You can't sell a product, or a technology, or an employee who will save you millions or hundreds of millions of dollars in the long run even if that return on investments starts within a year or two. But you can sell a cheaper anything this quarter. The industry and academia killed Ada in commercial programming before it ever got a chance. And now it's too late for anything that requires changing a mindset or paying top dollar for a toolchain (look at GHS prices!) or a high wage for Ada programmers, when Java and C++ jockeys are a commodity labor item. Unless you can come up with a programming platform/language/system that costs you less right now, in people, in hardware, in software, you have the snowball's chance in Hell of making it happen. Good doesn't matter, cheap wins every time.