From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,5cb36983754f64da X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public Path: controlnews3.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!newsfeed.stueberl.de!eusc.inter.net!cs.tu-berlin.de!uni-duisburg.de!not-for-mail From: Georg Bauhaus Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 15:10:47 +0000 (UTC) Organization: GMUGHDU Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: l1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de X-Trace: a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de 1083597047 4870 134.91.1.34 (3 May 2004 15:10:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.uni-duisburg.de NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 15:10:47 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.5.8-20010221 ("Blue Water") (UNIX) (HP-UX/B.11.00 (9000/800)) Xref: controlnews3.google.com comp.lang.ada:210 Date: 2004-05-03T15:10:47+00:00 List-Id: Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: : On Mon, 3 May 2004 12:06:40 +0000 (UTC), Georg Bauhaus : wrote: :>: Engineering is a product of science. Without science it is called :>: craftsmanship. :> :>You are free to make this distinction, and I am free to call it stuck-up. : : I do not want to undermine engineering. I do not want to undermine craftsmanship. Sometimes engineers work as craftspeople and vice versa. Sometimes craftspeople have domain knowledge superior to engineers', and vice versa. Sometimes both know much/little about related sciences that might even be unkown to the scientists. : Ah, here we return to the starting point. Something is badly wrong : with how we are dealing with creators. It works for many. You have to explain to them and to us what exactly is wrong. : It can, but why should everything depend on lobbying? It shouldn't. Can you name an alternative? : This is why I said that the state : should intervene and tune the game rules. But those who intervene to find a solution to the problem of tuning the game rules play another game doing so, which has its own set of rules, so we'd need another crowd tuning the rules of that game, which needs to be controlled by a third crowd tuning the rules of the second game, and... (As a matter of fact, tuning the rules does take place, but consider how it takes place.) If you cannot name an absolute point of reference, this leads to a classical problem. Justifying politics is lost in recursion because there are no scientific axioms to stop it. Enter Ideology, enter Belief, enter Knot-Cutting-Sword. -- Georg