From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,8ae9a80448fc719e X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!z8g2000yqz.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Ludovic Brenta Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Debian Community Poll Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: <462e855f-e444-455d-9df3-7cab6e88d23d@y11g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> <10mk6myeyhcsu.1rlqoeq87nkl1.dlg@40tude.net> <87pqztnxz9.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> <4c16ba75$0$6980$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <7f02c9a0-6bf8-4c7f-ade2-c94969d0a5de@x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> <1qhssaueuj5im$.d57jtzi7ot23.dlg@40tude.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.98.68.197 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1276610212 3919 127.0.0.1 (15 Jun 2010 13:56:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:56:52 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z8g2000yqz.googlegroups.com; posting-host=153.98.68.197; posting-account=pcLQNgkAAAD9TrXkhkIgiY6-MDtJjIlC User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.3) Gecko/20100401 Firefox/3.6.3,gzip(gfe) Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:12726 Date: 2010-06-15T06:56:51-07:00 List-Id: Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote on comp.lang.ada: >>> The things missing in the stable package of GtkSourceView are at least one >>> year old. I am wondering why this key GTK package is so poorly packaged. > >> It is not a key GTK+ package (few other packages depend on it) and it >> is not poorly packaged. > > If you build a GUI, an ability to render and edit texts is not always, but > often, essential. Now I am not certain if other GTK parts are actual. There > might be issues, e.g. older GTK versions had nasty problems with drop down > windows. That is correct but most applications that need to display text use widgets other than GtkSourceView, like e.g. GtkTextView or simply GtkLabel. GtkSourceView is, in fact, quite heavy and specialized. It might be exactly what you need but that only makes it a "key" widget for your particular application, not for all of GTK+ or GNOME. >> If you want recent packages, you should use testing (like I do) or unstable. > > I will. Even GNAT GPL has shorter cycles. There should be a reason... The reason for the 1-year release cycle of GNAT GPL is that it also serves for the GNAT Academic Program, so its release cycle matches that of university curricula, i.e. 1 year. The release date (May-June each year) is, in fact, intended to make it easy for professors to migrate to the latest version while preparing their courses for the next year to begin in September. The reason for the longer life cycle of Debian is to match the expectations of conservative server administrators. They buy a new server and install Debian N on it and do not want any changes in the software except, reluctantly, for security bugs. 3 or 4 years later they buy a new server, install Debian N+1 on it, migrate their data and scrap the old server. After each stable release of Debian, they receive one year of security support for the previous stable release, so they can plan their server upgrades. Since you are neither an academic nor a conservative server administrator, as an individual user administering only your own machine, you have no reason to lock yourself into a release cycle at all; you can upgrade as seldom or as often as you want to. As a developer of a future Debian package, you however must build on unstable; hence my suggestion to use whatever you want as a user and an unstable chroot for your Debian packaging. Since we're now way (as opposed to "slightly") off-topic on comp.lang.ada, I suggest we followup on debian-ada@lists.debian.org. -- Ludovic Brenta.