From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: 103376,a00006d3c4735d70 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-01-14 14:30:17 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news2.telebyte.nl!news.cambrium.nl!news.cambrium.nl!news.cambrium.nl!fi.sn.net!newsfeed2.fi.sn.net!newsfeed.kolumbus.fi!not-for-mail From: Aatu Koskensilta Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Certified C compilers for safety-critical embedded systems Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:52:03 +0200 Organization: Elisa Internet customer Message-ID: References: <0F6Nb.1623$Tt.642@reader1.news.jippii.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212-246-60-38.adsl.tpo.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: phys-news1.kolumbus.fi 1074119416 16411 212.246.60.38 (14 Jan 2004 22:30:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@kolumbus.fi NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:30:16 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20030225 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:4414 Date: 2004-01-15T00:52:03+02:00 List-Id: Robert I. Eachus wrote: > Also, keep in mind that most Ada compilers will accept very large G�del > numbers, written in factored form or as constants with hundreds of > digits. You can design a program so that it only accepts a program as > legal Ada if a particular G�del number specifies a true theorem in > G�del's formalization, and will reject it otherwise. I'm not sure if I understand you correctly here - the part where you say "You can design a program so that it only accepts a program as legal Ada if a particular G�del number specifies a true theorem" confuses me. Are you saying that for any Pi_1 (#) formula \phi there is a standard Ada program \phi*, s.t. \phi* is legal Ada if and only if \phi is true (the transformation * being recursive)? Do you have a reference for this result? And why do you think this is true for all reasonable programming languages? (#) Surely this is not the case for arbitrary formulae? If it is, Ada seems rather an odd language; I've never encountered an actually used computer language with correctness of a program not arithmetic. -- Aatu Koskensilta (aatu.koskensilta@xortec.fi) "Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, daruber muss man schweigen" - Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus