From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,15edb893ef79e231 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,15edb893ef79e231 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,15edb893ef79e231 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: f4fd2,23202754c9ce78dd X-Google-Attributes: gidf4fd2,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-01-18 11:36:51 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news02.tsnz.net!bruce From: Bruce Hoult Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.smalltalk Subject: Re: True faiths ( was Re: The true faith ) References: <%njZ7.279$iR.150960@news3.calgary.shaw.ca> <3c36fbc5_10@news.newsgroups.com> <4idg3u40ermnp682n6igc5gudp7hajkea9@4ax.com> <76be8851.0201101909.9db0718@posting.google.com> <9jtu3u8cq92b05j47uat3412tok6hqu1ki@4ax.com> <3C3F8689.377A9F0F@brising.com> <3219936759616091@naggum.net> <3C483CE7.D61D1BF@removeme.gst.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:36:49 +1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.79.84.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tsnz.net X-Trace: news02.tsnz.net 1011382610 203.79.84.77 (Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:36:50 NZDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:36:50 NZDT Organization: TelstraSaturn Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:24667 comp.lang.ada:19073 comp.lang.eiffel:5455 comp.lang.smalltalk:18150 Date: 2002-01-19T08:36:49+13:00 List-Id: In article <3C483CE7.D61D1BF@removeme.gst.com>, Bob Bane wrote: > I was particularly impressed with his last paragraph in the second > article. For some reason, he doesn't conclude that there's something > wrong with C++. Can't imagine why... > > ---------BEGIN-QUOTE----------- > > I don't know about you, but there's something really scary to me about a > language where copying state from one object to another is this > complicated. By now, I suspect at least a dozen or two programmers have > contributed something new to this discussion. If it takes this many > programmers to write a simple assignment operator, think how complicated > writing code that actually does something meaningful must be! And the really really scary thing is that I know C++ well enough to know why I need an assignment operator, and know how to write it correctly off the top of my head (and with the inherited:: call inside the try{}!). Most C++ places that I've worked I'm the *only* person who would get this right. And yet, when I tell them that their development would be better done using Dylan or one of the languages in the "Newsgroups:" line they think I'm crazy. -- Bruce