From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,60e2922351e0e780 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-11-15 18:40:15 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msunews!not-for-mail From: "Chad R. Meiners" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Clause "with and use" Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:38:25 -0500 Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: References: <3FB1609E.D56E315C@fakeaddress.nil> <3FB621AE.8040902@noplace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: arctic.cse.msu.edu X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:2531 Date: 2003-11-15T21:38:25-05:00 List-Id: "Russ" <18k11tm001@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:bebbba07.0311151636.472a9aa7@posting.google.com... > Well, which is it? Did C++ benefit from the syntactic similarity to C, > or didn't it? Did Java benefit from the syntactic similarity to Java, > or didn't it? If they did, doesn't that mean that syntax does indeed > have an effect on the popularity of a language? Both of course. ;) CO did not become popular due to its syntax, but once it had become popular people were accustomed to it which allows languages with similar syntax to leverage upon its popularity. > I am going to restate something I have said before regarding the > negative effect bad syntax can have on the popularity of a language. > Just because programmers are not explicitly complaining about the > syntax, that does *not* mean it has no effect on their language > preferences. The effect may be subconscious, or it may be conscious > but deliberately concealed for fear of appearing "shallow." Similarly, > women are much more likely to reject a short man in favor of a tall > man, even if the tall man is a jerk and the short man is the nicest > guy around. I could give many other examples, of course. One should not worry about unobservable events because one cannot knowingly affect them.