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From: "Frank J. Lhota" <NOSPAM.FrankLho@rcn.com>
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Subject: Re: Clause "with and use"
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"Stephane Richard" <stephane.richard@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> In C++ even for standard cout and cin functions you need to use the std
name
> space or you'll have to write std::cout everytime you need to output
> something to the standard output.

I've done that a lot in my C++ code. In the C++ community, the "using"
declaration is even more controversial than the "use" clause is in the Ada
community. I have programmed for groups where using "using" is prohibited
unless absolutely necessary.

You can do stream program without "using", but that involves writing
std::cout, std::flush, std::endl, etc., not to mention appending std to
every identifier from the STL.

If Russ dislikes the clutter caused by matching "with" and "use" clauses in
Ada, he'd be appalled at what often goes on in the C++ community!