From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,60e2922351e0e780 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-11-06 12:05:11 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsr1.ipcore.viaginterkom.de!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail From: "Martin Dowie" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Clause "with and use" Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Message-ID: References: <3FA50083.10709@noplace.com> <3FA777E9.4030605@noplace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host81-129-48-51.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: hercules.btinternet.com 1068149020 15141 81.129.48.51 (6 Nov 2003 20:03:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:03:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:2167 Date: 2003-11-06T20:03:40+00:00 List-Id: "Russ" <18k11tm001@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:bebbba07.0311061052.772a095@posting.google.com... > If you honestly find "+=" to be "unreadable," then I'd say that, yes, > you are indeed an idiot. I certainly would never hire a programmer who > has to grapple with the meaning of "+=". For Pete's sake, I have real > work to do. Would you hire such a person? If so, I can't imagine how > you could get any significant amount of work done. Go ask anyone who > hires programmers, and ask them if they would hire anyone who > struggles with the meaning of "+=". Having said that, I don't think > for a second that anyone here *really* has trouble understanding "+=". > That means that I don't really consider you idiots, I am just baffled > as to why you insist on portraying yourselves as such. Now, if you > quote me on this, please keep this entire paragraph intact. I have noticed that although such short forms are available to Python users (another language I quite like...), I've yet to find one occasion when it has actually been used. And that's largely from browsing from the 'official' Python homepage and its 'de-facto' standard libraries. So why don't they use it? I don't no for sure but one of the explicit aims of Python was to promote readability. Perhaps, Russ, you could instil a vigorous debate over at c.l.p. and ask them why they are being so 'idiotic'? ;-) So, Russ, have read AI-318? Do you still think that "+=",etc is still necessary, now there is a mechanism to avoid that extra deep copy for things like matrices/vectors?