From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,TO_NO_BRKTS_FROM_MSSP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,2def9aa85afa5d22 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-11-01 06:55:44 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!enews.sgi.com!telocity-west!TELOCITY!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!newsranger.com!www.newsranger.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada From: Ted Dennison References: <3BDCE159.39F6D422@adaworks.com> <11bf7180.0110290311.4d8d6f04@posting.google.com> <3BDF9C6A.C25520C5@adaworks.com> <3BE023AB.8F235EF5@sparc01.ftw.rsc.raytheon.com> <9rp8mo$6d8$1@nh.pace.co.uk> Subject: Re: Joint Strike Fighter Message-ID: X-Abuse-Info: When contacting newsranger.com regarding abuse please X-Abuse-Info: forward the entire news article including headers or X-Abuse-Info: else we will not be able to process your request X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsranger.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 09:55:03 EST Organization: http://www.newsranger.com Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 14:55:03 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:15535 Date: 2001-11-01T14:55:03+00:00 List-Id: In article , JF Harrison says... >arena. I think you are focusing on the wrong people in wondering why it has >gone C++. Functional managers want things done a certain way, and they >decide. If programmers newly hired dont even know what Ada is (I've met >some like that), they aren't going to even have an opinion on the matter, >much less feedback if asked. ( "Would you like a job programming in Ada?" - >"Um, what's that?") And of course many younger employees want C++ because >that is what they learned in school (in many cases) so that's their skill >set, or, yes, they want to get paid to learn it in the first place, for job >security and mobility. That almost perfectly sums up my experience in the matter. The folks pushing for C++ (or other languages for that matter) over Ada are almost never the experienced engineers who will actually have to *use* the damn language. Some fresh out of college types would prefer not to use it too, but they generally come around after they actually use it for a while. Way back in the "mandate" days I worked on one project where our lead software developer basicly took over the entire project (with the backing of the rest of us developers of course). Program management had our Ada waiver all ready, and was absolutly shocked when we didn't want it. :-) That was the best-run project it has ever been my privelege to work on, btw. --- T.E.D. homepage - http://www.telepath.com/dennison/Ted/TED.html No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.