From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,52a0bacbcdd2da17 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-08-17 16:03:33 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!eusc.inter.net!cs.tu-berlin.de!uni-duisburg.de!not-for-mail From: Georg Bauhaus Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Realtime/embedded project to help with employment. Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:03:32 +0000 (UTC) Organization: GMUGHDU Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: d2-hrz.uni-duisburg.de X-Trace: a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de 1061161412 6537 134.91.1.15 (17 Aug 2003 23:03:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.uni-duisburg.de NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:03:32 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.5.8-20010221 ("Blue Water") (UNIX) (HP-UX/B.11.00 (9000/831)) Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:41659 Date: 2003-08-17T23:03:32+00:00 List-Id: Chad R. Meiners wrote: : : "Georg Bauhaus" wrote in message : news:bhld8s$6v5$2@a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de... :> Chad R. Meiners wrote: :> : While I did make $10 once for programming a neighbor's VCR, I would : hardly :> : call that 'type' of programming a profession ;-) :> :> I a sense though it is, here. : : What?!!? In the following sense. If you help some neighbour or friend installing the lates RPC patch, once, or twice, then in a non-technical sense this isn't professional work, for sure. If organisations rely on cheap students' work to keep the computer network running, then this is professional work, but not professional payment, insurance, etc. Walls in students' hostels are regularly painted by a handful of students who will receive payment which seems lower than what painters would get. Students are not painters in general, and this isn't charity work either. Painters can't do their job because students are in a position that allows them to be cheap. If in a city like Cologne (about 1Mio inhabitants) students would have to be regular employees, instead of working for just the "cash of this evening" the estimate is that the Cologne gastronomy would break down immediately. (Professional waiters and students will pay quite different sums to health insurance companies, and students usually do not pay for liability insurance because that is done by their parents for the whole family, for example.) If a student sees a handful of EUR for the delivery of some program or service, he or she doesn't think that much about how this sum is sufficient for a living as a professional. I see them as freelancers but they charge much less, which is part of what companies find attractive. The effect of this kind of work, and employment, is that those who do this work as their profession (programmers, painters, ...) suffer from price dumping on the labour market.