From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,f039470e8f537101 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-07-29 01:24:53 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!newsfeed1!bredband!uio.no!feed.news.nacamar.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!adsl-213-200-246-247.cybernet.CH!not-for-mail From: Vinzent Hoefler Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ariane5 FAQ Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 10:06:05 +0200 Organization: JeLlyFish software Message-ID: References: <3F200AD0.94F79098@adaworks.com> <7u9Ua.13412$634.10307@nwrdny03.gnilink.net> <3F215120.1040706@attbi.com> <1059151910.357790@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <3F248CEE.5050709@attbi.com> <3F25FB81.A81694FA@adaworks.com> Reply-To: v.hoefler@acm.org NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-213-200-246-247.cybernet.ch (213.200.246.247) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1059466096 22278768 213.200.246.247 (16 [175126]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:40928 Date: 2003-07-29T10:06:05+02:00 List-Id: Hyman Rosen wrote: >Richard Riehle wrote: >> I am thinking here of SPARK. > >The Ariane 4/5 problem had nothing to do with proving the >correctness of a program. Had they used SPARK, they would >have informed the verifier of the presumed limits of the >input, and the verifier would have happily verified that the >program was correct. Yes, that's probably true. >But if the Ariane 4 code had carried the specification limits >within it, as DbC, or as SPARK assertions, or as range checks, >perhaps someone might have noticed that the Ariane 5 failed to >meet those constraints. That isn't much different from SPARK where you should justify such decisions for the verifier. I don't think either method would have helped, because nobody seemed to look at the requirements at all. Vinzent. --=20 Parents strongly cautioned -- this posting is intended for mature audiences over 18. It may contain some material that many parents would not find suitable for children and may include intense violence, sexual situations, coarse language and suggestive dialogue.