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From: Andreas ZEURCHER <ZUERCHER_Andreas@outlook.com>
Subject: Re: Ada syntax questions
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 08:53:36 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bfaef8db-8f57-4a06-b2b4-be091bbfbd11n@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <rrn33m$nll$1@gioia.aioe.org>

On Sunday, December 20, 2020 at 2:47:54 AM UTC-6, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
> On 2020-12-19 23:11, Andreas ZEURCHER wrote: 
> > On Saturday, December 19, 2020 at 1:37:32 PM UTC-6, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: 
> >> On 2020-12-19 19:40, Andreas ZEURCHER wrote: 
> 
> >> If they are unsatisfied with the higher abstraction level of Ada, they 
> >> can switch to lower-level languages where implementation details are 
> >> exposed in syntax. The best we can do is to explain why such exposure is 
> >> a bad idea. 
> > 
> > No, Dmitry, that is where you are wrong. In this regard, Ada is the lower-level, grungier, cruder, uncouther programming language, closer to assembly language or ALGOL60.
> Then we are disagree on the definition of higher level. Mine is the 
> level of abstraction away from calculus toward the problem space entities. 

Ada's inexpressiveness of imprecision of vagueness of misrepresenting design intent in this regard (of inability to compile-time enforce purity of subroutines) is clearly not abstraction.  It is mere self-imposed blindness, ignoring the purity-enforcement topic altogether.  Assembly language and Ada have the same inability to overtly express and enforce a declaration of FP-purity.  Other languages have a pure keyword or equivalent for subroutines (i.e., functions, procedures, lambdas, coroutines, generators) to overtly express compile-time-enforced purity of the subroutine not making modifications to any data outside of its parameter data and callstack-based transient data.  Clearly when a programming language (i.e., Ada) and assembly language share the same lack of feature, they are the more-primitive.  Clearly when other pure-keyword-equipped programming languages can facilitate & enforce a higher civilization to capture the finer points of a mathematical description of the problem domain via a rule-declaration & compile-time enforcement that assembly language lacks, they are higher-order and less primitive.  There is no valid definition of “higher-order programming language” that permits assembly language's lack of a pure keyword (or equivalent purity-enforcement mechanism) to be a higher-order language than, say, Scala with a pure keyword.  Dmitry, your line of reasoning here of what constitutes a higher-order language is preposterous!

  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-20 16:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-17 22:39 Ada syntax questions DrPi
2020-12-17 23:18 ` Gabriele Galeotti
2020-12-18  8:26 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2020-12-18  9:18 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2020-12-18 16:55 ` Mart van de Wege
2020-12-18 17:38 ` Björn Lundin
2020-12-18 19:35 ` Niklas Holsti
2020-12-20 21:59   ` Keith Thompson
2020-12-22  1:04     ` Randy Brukardt
2020-12-22  8:00       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2020-12-23  1:23         ` Randy Brukardt
2020-12-23  8:59           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2020-12-24  4:06             ` Randy Brukardt
2020-12-24  9:37               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2020-12-22 13:48       ` AdaMagica
2020-12-20 21:59   ` Keith Thompson
2020-12-21  8:08     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2020-12-18 23:09 ` Stephen Leake
2020-12-19 11:50   ` DrPi
2020-12-19 12:40     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2020-12-19 17:13       ` Andreas ZEURCHER
2020-12-19 17:49         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2020-12-19 18:40           ` Andreas ZEURCHER
2020-12-19 19:37             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2020-12-19 22:11               ` Andreas ZEURCHER
2020-12-20  8:47                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2020-12-20 16:53                   ` Andreas ZEURCHER [this message]
2020-12-22  0:58                     ` Randy Brukardt
2020-12-22  2:39                       ` Andreas ZEURCHER
2020-12-22 10:05                     ` Stéphane Rivière
2020-12-25  9:34                     ` G.B.
2020-12-19 17:01     ` AdaMagica
2020-12-19 21:51     ` Stephen Leake
2020-12-19 22:20       ` Andreas ZEURCHER
2020-12-20 14:10       ` DrPi
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