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From: 18k11tm001@sneakemail.com (Russ)
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Subject: Re: Clause "with and use"
Date: 11 Nov 2003 12:01:11 -0800
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Preben Randhol <randhol+valid_for_reply_from_news@pvv.org> wrote in message news:<slrnbr1ujb.74s.randhol+valid_for_reply_from_news@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no>...
> On 2003-11-11, Hyman Rosen <hyrosen@mail.com> wrote:
> > Preben Randhol wrote:
> >> But what is the point? What do you save by doing this? Absolutely
> >> nothing. It took me 2 min to make two macros in vim which either add a
> >> use unit or removes it.
> >
> > That's *not* the point. As is so often said around here,
> > Ada doesn't care about the convenience of the writer of
> > the code. Perhaps if you had written macros to tell the
> > reader of the code which withed packages were also used,
> > you would have demonstrated something useful.
> 
> You misunderstood.
> 
> In my code I write:
> 
> with Ada.Text_IO; \au
> 
> The \au which is my shortcut (it could have been Ctrl-J or F4 etc...
> depending on preference) will then make this line look like:
> 
> with Ada.Text_IO; use Ada.Text_IO;
> 
> and I can continue typing. 
> 
> It will work with any withed package as it simply copies what comes
> after with until the ;. A shortcut \aU removes the use Package; from a
> line.
> 
> There is no preprosessors involded. As I have said: the convenience of
> the writer is the responsibility of the text editor (in my case vim) not
> Ada.
> 
> As to telling the reader which packages are used, the source code will
> say so and you cannot manage to make it much clearer IMHO.

And you *still* miss the point, even after Mr. Rosen spoonfeeds it to
you. The point is *not* that redundant "with" and "use" clauses
require extra typing. The point is that the poor *reader* of your code
still has to *read* your cluttered code. In your reply you did not
even consider the *reader*. The *reader* doesn't give a hoot how many
keystrokes you used to generate the code. All I can say is that I'm
darn glad I'll never have to read your code.