From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,f51e93dacd9c7fca X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-06-20 00:06:48 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: 18k11tm001@sneakemail.com (Russ) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: status of Ada STL? Date: 20 Jun 2002 00:06:47 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Message-ID: References: <3D0D18D5.2020601@telepath.com> <4519e058.0206170611.260a3951@posting.google.com> <4519e058.0206180630.b6ef8cd@posting.google.com> <4519e058.0206190635.48fe03a5@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.194.87.148 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1024556808 24698 127.0.0.1 (20 Jun 2002 07:06:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jun 2002 07:06:48 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:26462 Date: 2002-06-20T07:06:48+00:00 List-Id: dennison@telepath.com (Ted Dennison) wrote in message news:<4519e058.0206190635.48fe03a5@posting.google.com>... > 18k11tm001@sneakemail.com (Russ) wrote in message news:... > > The problem is not that Ada is not like Python or even C or C++. The > > problem (or, rather, one of the problems) with Ada is that it uses > > non-standard syntax compared to ALL of the major languages in use in > > industry today. That includes C, C++, Java, Perl, Python, and perhaps > > Baloney. The majority of all software in use right now is Cobol. Cobol > doesn't use "=" at all. On the strength of Cobol alone, "=" assignment > is in the minority. Add to that all the code in Delphi (heavily used > in application development), Lisp-based funtional langauges (almost > universal in AI applications), Modula-based languages (heavily used in > the auto industry), VHDL (heavily used in the chip design biz), and > APL (a sentimental favorite of mathematicians). Perhaps then you will > begin to see that you are just looking at one niche in the software > industry who's main claim to fame is that you happen to live in it. You have a lots of knifty tricks, don't you. By talking about "software in use", you can pretend that dying languages are still thriving. By the same trick, I suppose I could tell my boss that I don't need to show up for work tomorrow because I have a program running that is working for me. The issue is not which languages are "in use right now" in the sense of 30-year-old legacy code that is still executing. The issue is which languages are being used on a large scale for new software development. I'm hardly an expert on that, but I hope to heck that Cobol isn't one of them. And if you think that Lisp is still going strong, you must live in an ivory tower somewhere. Modula I don't know about, but I certainly don't hear much about it. If it is still "heavily used" in the auto industry, then I'm darn glad I bolted from Michigan after I graduated.