From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.140.129.199 with SMTP id 190mr9092216qhb.2.1432895021677; Fri, 29 May 2015 03:23:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.104.72 with SMTP id z66mr103636qge.14.1432895021663; Fri, 29 May 2015 03:23:41 -0700 (PDT) Path: buffer1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!z60no4439240qgd.0!news-out.google.com!k20ni45000qgd.0!nntp.google.com!z60no4438170qgd.1!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 03:23:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=105.237.62.132; posting-account=orbgeAkAAADzWCTlruxuX_Ts4lIq8C5J NNTP-Posting-Host: 105.237.62.132 References: <127b004d-2163-477b-9209-49d30d2da5e1@googlegroups.com> <59a4ee45-23fb-4b0e-905c-cc16ce46b5f6@googlegroups.com> <46b2dce1-2a1c-455d-b041-3a9d217e2c3f@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Build language with weak typing, then add scaffolding later to strengthen it? From: jan.de.kruyf@gmail.com Injection-Date: Fri, 29 May 2015 10:23:41 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Xref: number.nntp.giganews.com comp.lang.ada:193366 Date: 2015-05-29T03:23:41-07:00 List-Id: On Friday, May 29, 2015 at 11:27:54 AM UTC+2, Simon Wright wrote: > To me, 6 us didn't seem too bad. You have to pay for using high-level > constructs (high-ish, in the case of Ravenscar, of course). Perhaps it was one of my notorious impercise expressions. I should have said "instructions" or may be "cpu cycles" > > But then, I remember the manual-guide-torpedo-by-wire system where the > team were pleased they'd got the feedback loop time (move joystick to > response from torpedo on screen) down from 50 s to 15 s. When asked > whether he found it a problem, the CPO said that submariners are used to > taking things slowly :-) In my previous life I was an officer at sea. I once stood for about 3 or 4 minutes waiting patiently for a big crash that could not be avoided anymore. We fully knew the magnitude of the error, but the PID output was limiting, so to speak. > > I should add, the RTS that I timed is based on FreeRTOS. Guess I should > do the same timing with AdaCore's RTS. Perhaps, but you will also find things. Here it is not a matter of having a bigger amplifier. I have to accept that technology that works well in a washing machine, is too slow for a high speed set-up. And I will have to adapt the basic premises of my technology. j.