From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.55.128.67 with SMTP id b64mr13910490qkd.40.1509386026450; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 10:53:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.157.85.8 with SMTP id l8mr715227oth.7.1509386026408; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 10:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!border1.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!peer03.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer03.fr7!futter-mich.highwinds-media.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!z50no5698083qtj.0!news-out.google.com!v14ni4004qtc.0!nntp.google.com!k31no5715574qta.1!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 10:53:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6b174ab3-62fd-4ec1-b2d1-e44adecda08f@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=76.113.16.86; posting-account=lJ3JNwoAAAAQfH3VV9vttJLkThaxtTfC NNTP-Posting-Host: 76.113.16.86 References: <6b174ab3-62fd-4ec1-b2d1-e44adecda08f@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Proposing/Recomending Ada Usage At Work From: Shark8 Injection-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 17:53:46 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Body-CRC: 2441313858 X-Received-Bytes: 3874 Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:48671 Date: 2017-10-30T10:53:46-07:00 List-Id: On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 8:46:58 AM UTC-6, tclwa...@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 3:43:31 AM UTC-4, Brian Drummond wrote: > > On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 18:36:04 -0700, Shark8 wrote: > >=20 > > > At work there's a system (simulator + scenario-editor) being used in > > > studies which is in desperate need of an upgrade -- > > > particularly/specifically in terms of the editor's usability, as the > > > time to create a scenario is rapidly ballooning to fill up all the ti= me > > > allocated to a study. > > >=20 > > > This issue has spurred a drive for suggestions and solutions, and whi= le > > > much of the issue is indeed more of a UI issue, there are implementat= ion > > > considerations which impact the amount of time needed to make a > > > scenario. > >=20 > > I suspect the GUI aspect will be critical : you need a GUI toolkit that= =20 > > simply works and doesn't get in the way. This will have a highly visibl= e=20 > > impact on the project - good or bad - as its the easiest to see and=20 > > criticize. You are correct that GUI is critical, though only insofar as building the s= cenarios goes. (They're not interested in "whiz-bang" graphics; heck one of= the basic entities look kinda like lolipops.) -- https://image.slidesharec= dn.com/pythonincombatmodel-100805000040-phpapp01/95/how-and-why-python-is-u= sed-in-the-model-of-realworld-battlefield-scenarios-5-728.jpg?cb=3D12814002= 84 > >=20 > > I'd be budgeting a small amount of time to try Gnoga (and keep the=20 > > interface browser based) - others like gtkada change substantially=20 > > between revisions, requiring maintenance (and a fairly substantial=20 > > investment in learning how to use it), or add platform dependencies lik= e=20 > > requiring Windows.=20 This is definitely putting the horse before the cart; while Gonga could cer= tainly be an excellent solution GUI-wise the biggest problem would be selli= ng the rewrite -- something that actually is needed -- in terms of the curr= ent problems. > >=20 > > Not saying Gnoga is the answer but GUI is a recurring problem and I'm= =20 > > interested to hear how you tackle this aspect. Right now I'm looking at things from the "advantages Ada provides" angle, w= hile I certainly will have sections for alternatives (such as creating a pr= epopulated force-structure), I need to make the Ada proposal *SHINE*. > Is Gnoga actively maintained? do they have a github page? AFAIK, it is.