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From: kcline17@hotmail.com (Kevin Cline)
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Subject: Re: Engineers Pay
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"Alan and Carmel Brain" <aebrain@webone.com.au> wrote in message news:<3e2a9af2$1@iridium.webone.com.au>...
> "John R. Strohm" <strohm@airmail.net> wrote in message
> 
> > In the United States, with all overhead considered, a good engineer costs
> > his employer on the rough order of $250,000 per year
> 
> In Australia, with all overhead, taxes, insurance, etc etc it's about
> USD $60,000. That's assuming 10+ years experience. Graduates - half that.
> Of course, the actual pay (before taxes) is about 2/3 of those figures.
> 
> Actual case: programmer with 20+ years, including 15+ of Ada-83 and
> Ada-95, several successful projects under his belt, salary $80,000 AUD
> or just over $40,000 USD. Cost of employment, about $115,000 AUD (it's
> an efficient firm, but his pay's way above average.).

I'm doubtful that Australian firms can run with so little overhead.
The figure of USD $250,000 presumably includes not only the payroll
taxes and benefits but also the cost of space, equipment, and supervisory
and administrative personell.  USD $250K or $USD 1000 per day
is about what the company would charge for the engineer's time.

The marginal cost of adding a single person is probably quite a lot
lower than that.