From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: f43e6,899fc98b2883af4a X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,59ec73856b699922 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,5f529c91be2ac930 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,583275b6950bf4e6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-05-15 06:55:07 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!server3.netnews.ja.net!south.jnrs.ja.net!not-for-mail From: "Graham Perkins" Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.object,comp.lang.ada,comp.software-eng Subject: Re: Quality systems (Was: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died)) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:55:03 +0100 Organization: Janet Usenet Reading Service. Message-ID: References: <9fa75d42.0304230424.10612b1a@posting.google.com> <17cd177c.0305072114.24f04783@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305090612.261d5a5c@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305091549.48b9c5d9@posting.google.com> <7507f79d.0305121629.5b8b7369@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305130643.526f61c2@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305140436.534f7151@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cis-stf-18152.mk.dmu.ac.uk X-Trace: south.jnrs.ja.net 1053006902 19249 146.227.129.233 (15 May 2003 13:55:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@south.jnrs.ja.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:55:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.java.advocacy:63840 comp.object:63453 comp.lang.ada:37344 comp.software-eng:19198 Date: 2003-05-15T14:55:03+01:00 List-Id: > > I'm impressed. If that's truly typical of Microsoft management. > > > > OTOH, somehow it hasn't stopped them from churning out garbage > > year after year. > > It's fashionable to say that. > > But it is one thing to achieve quality control in a 50-100K > LOC program for a limited userbase. But if you have actually > done that, you should be able to extrapolate to several > million LOC programs that work in multiple languages and > are literally used by millions of people in all sorts of > un-anticipated ways. Given the magnitude of the task, > MS has indeed achieved great results. My other principal usage experience is with Unix and VAX-VMS. I suggest that both of those systems are considerably better than MS-Windows, qualitatively. Moreover, they were of extremely high quality from very early on in their life. And you never had to double your processor speed and memory size every two years to keep up with the code bloat :-(