From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fdb77,5f529c91be2ac930 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,59ec73856b699922 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,583275b6950bf4e6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-05-14 04:25:53 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.object,comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Using Ada for device drivers? (Was: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 07:42:07 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: References: <9fa75d42.0304230424.10612b1a@posting.google.com> <9fa75d42.0305010621.55e99deb@posting.google.com> <0-WcnWfafqsNpiyjXTWcqw@gbronline.com> <1051804573.732603@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <3EBE9BD4.1050008@attbi.com> <20619edc.0305120923.1ccfa3be@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.b4.57 X-Server-Date: 14 May 2003 11:27:04 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.java.advocacy:63757 comp.object:63361 comp.lang.ada:37314 Date: 2003-05-14T11:27:04+00:00 List-Id: I agree and would add this personal observation: In one job incarnation I programmed in Ada for 10 years and NOT ONCE did I ever have to turn on the debugger.(O.K. Maybe an occasional Put_Line statement, but NO DEBUGGER!) I left to join another company that had its main product in MSVC++. The debugger instantly became a WAY OF LIFE. Granted, this is anecdotal and may have a lot to do with issues of style, etc., but I doubt I am the only one with such a story. I also wouldn't suggest that Ada compilers should not provide debuggers or that they are never necessary. I would only claim that I have seen far less need for debuggers with Ada than with C or C++ MDC -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/ Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ a c m . o r g "Going cold turkey isn't as delicious as it sounds." -- H. Simpson ====================================================================== Mike Silva wrote in message news:20619edc.0305120923.1ccfa3be@posting.google.com... > > OK, let's just all get ourselves on record. I'll start: > > I, an Ada programmer of sound mind and body, acknowledge that there > are hard problems that Ada does not catch. I further acknowledge that > Ada will not catch each and every error which I am capable of > committing. Lastly, I acknowledge that there are many problem types > which Ada is much more competent than I am to catch, and that by using > Ada I subject myself to shorter hours at work and more domestic > tranquility at home, and further that I rarely get to have the best > debugging war stories in the company lunchroom. > > Mike