From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,59ec73856b699922 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,5f529c91be2ac930 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,583275b6950bf4e6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-05-02 08:42:59 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!server3.netnews.ja.net!south.jnrs.ja.net!not-for-mail From: "Graham Perkins" Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.object,comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died (was): 64 bit addressing and OOP Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 16:42:58 +0100 Organization: Janet Usenet Reading Service. Message-ID: References: <9fa75d42.0304300412.3c9f8157@posting.google.com> <98BC68183770643E.43B22CFE5F4D5EFD.5566989BE627964B@lp.airnews.net> <9fa75d42.0305010645.7a5572ed@posting.google.com> <3EB1C603.7788E194@adaworks.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cis-stf-18152.mk.dmu.ac.uk X-Trace: south.jnrs.ja.net 1051890178 15053 146.227.129.233 (2 May 2003 15:42:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@south.jnrs.ja.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 15:42:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.java.advocacy:63048 comp.object:62562 comp.lang.ada:36864 Date: 2003-05-02T16:42:58+01:00 List-Id: "Kevin Cline" wrote in message news:ba162549.0305020720.4da44159@posting.google.com... > > One more amateur teaching Ada with no experience using it on > > projects. There was so much of this going around that no one > > should be suprised that so many students came away from their > > Ada classes with a distorted view of the language. > > Do you think the situation is better for other languages? It > certainly isn't for C++. I've interviewed people who taught evening > classes in C++ and OOP at the university level and they were > hopelessly confused. The text books don't help. So hard to find the wheat amongst the chaff. I once found a C++ book which doesn't start on classes until chapter nine!