From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,4a5d8d9981922ae X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!w40g2000hsb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: dave.wood@aonix.com Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: ObjectAda 7.2.2 and VB6 DLLs Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 02:09:40 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: <%v66j.76094$YL5.22217@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net> <9278c581-d1ff-469c-b1d0-39299c35729f@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <475A53B7.3050601@obry.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.120.49.224 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1197108581 9738 127.0.0.1 (8 Dec 2007 10:09:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 10:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: w40g2000hsb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=216.120.49.224; posting-account=n1rg4QoAAAAoiligi-008WbxoXIBnGLp User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071127 Firefox/2.0.0.11,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) X-HTTP-Via: 1.1 sdproxy:800 (squid/2.5.STABLE14) Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:18781 Date: 2007-12-08T02:09:40-08:00 List-Id: I hate to be contrarian, but some of the perceptions here are just that: perceptions not necessarily based in reality. > each time Aonix is sending out some news it is far more > oriented toward Java or C++ than Ada For example, I can assure comp.lang.ada that exactly 0% of Aonix news is oriented toward C++, other that where we might discuss that C++ is an abomination to be avoided. Our last newsletter had 2 articles addressing Ada and 5 addressing Java, but the one before that had 7 articles addressing Ada and 4 addressing Java, thus an even split over the larger sample size. This evenness is not by plan, nor are any decisions made out of "fear" of talking about Ada. We publish whatever news happens to be available at the time, nothing more. In terms of press releases, we tend to be about evenly split as well. For example, as can be seen on our web site, thus far in 2007 we have produced 7 press releases specific to Ada, 6 specific to Java, and 3 that were non-specific. I don't know how to respond to an anecdote about someone saying "there is a single player on Ada and we can't risk going this way". It is demonstrably false that there is only one Ada player, given that Aonix, DDC-I, Green Hills, and IBM/ Rational continue to sell Ada products. Granted, none of those companies are 100% dedicated to Ada only, but that seems an extreme and insupportable requirement. Further, Ada has a very substantial, co- dominant presence on the web sites and trade show booths of two of those companies. (However, of course it is possible in a given anecdote that there is only one player for a particular off-the-shelf platform combination.) Now, I'm not going to lie to you and say that we're not proud to be promoting our Java products. They are truly excellent products, far and away best-in-class, that represent tremendous differentiating value for Aonix. We're proud to promote them and will continue to do so, vigorously. There is some theoretical market overlap with Ada, but for the most part, the Ada and Java product lines are appealing to different audiences. Promoting one does not hurt the other. Typically, the customer is either choosing between Ada and C, or between Java and C, or between multiple Ada vendors, or between multiple Java vendors. Offhand, I don't know that we've ever yet run into anyone who was trying to decide between Ada and Java. I offer here the concluding paragraphs from an article in our May newsletter, which I think are relevant to this discussion: "Truthfully, our Ada and Java solutions share a similar story: safe, predictable, reliable, scalable, modular, error-resistant, and highly productive tools. We won't bother to argue which language is better - we prefer to let the customer make that judgment. Our job is to inform our customers about our offerings, not to be language evangelists. Evangelism is best left to independent voices. "My message is this: Java is not the enemy of Ada. I think it can be agreed that C/C++ is the common enemy of everyone interested in sustainable growth in software complexity. C/C++ does for software what oxidation does for raw iron: makes it unsuitable for complex, reliable, and long-lived applications. We believe the industry wins every time a design choice is made for Ada or Java rather than C/C++, and that's what we're all about." Dave Wood, VP Marketing, Aonix dave.w...@aonix.com On Dec 8, 12:20 am, Pascal Obry wrote: > Dave, > > Nothing personal but I kind of agree with Richard. I'm also on the > mailing-list and each time Aonix is sending out some news it is far more > oriented toward Java or C++ than Ada. Sometimes I found even hard to > know (on flyers, papers) that Aonix has some Ada background. I find this > sad especially since, as you said, Aonix is still Ada oriented... it > just looks like to me Aonix "fear" talking about Ada. > > You may agree or not with me... The fact is that many times I had > someone in front of me saying that "there is a single player on Ada and > we can't risk going this way". > > I think, and I have many times said this on comp.lang.ada, it would be > very nice to hear from you here from time to time. Yes please Ada > vendors, do not hesitate to "spam" this group with Ada oriented news :) > > Pascal. > > -- > > --|------------------------------------------------------ > --| Pascal Obry Team-Ada Member > --| 45, rue Gabriel Peri - 78114 Magny Les Hameaux FRANCE > --|------------------------------------------------------ > --| http://www.obry.net > --| "The best way to travel is by means of imagination" > --| > --| gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-key C1082595