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Subject: Re: linux desktop in trouble
To: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
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I do not agree with Dmitry for the simple reason that every installing 
routine asks from the sender take amateures into account. and as Gtk is 
that is as I see it more a problem for the designers than of the 
operating system itself. Even under windows you can make a mess of it.

Op 19-3-2020 om 9:46 schreef Dmitry A. Kazakov:
> On 2020-03-19 07:07, ldries46 wrote:
>
>> As a newcomer in the Linux world I can feel what he means. But I just 
>> think that it is not so much the problem of the desktops themselve 
>> but of the lack of standardized installation procedures. There should 
>> be some installation programs as there are in windows, these programs 
>> should be independent of the type of desktop you are using. And of 
>> course they should be complete.
>
> Well, it is rather exactly the opposite. Windows has no standardized 
> installation procedure and rules, at all. There exist msi files, very 
> few use them and it does not make much difference. Otherwise, it is 
> just an executable that does any wild thing it pleases after you allow 
> it to elevate itself to the administrative rights.
>
>> Take for instance GNAT GPS and GtkAda.
>
> It is especially so with GTK. Basically any Windows program that uses 
> GTK hoards its own copy of. It is a total mess under Windows.
>
>> GNAT GPS before running the installation you must make the package 
>> executable, it should be delivered execuable as under Windows.
>
> No. It simply should be better maintained as a deb-package, if we are 
> talking about Ubuntu.
>
> Situation under Linux is far from perfect but is way better than under 
> Windows.
>
>> This is not a problem of the desktop itself but of the producers of 
>> software.
>
> True. It would be nice if AdaCore packaged its community GNAT for 
> major Linux platforms: Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, CentOS. The problem is 
> the resources. It is a lot of work, which, I assume, they prefer to 
> apply on other places.
>
> FSF packages are simply undermaintained. The compiler itself works out 
> of the box. But GtkAda, GPS (and frequently gprbuild) always had 
> problems.
>