From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,583275b6950bf4e6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-02-28 04:50:04 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: the Ada mandate, and why it collapsed and died Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 07:48:57 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: References: <3E5EDCB1.C841AFDD@adaworks.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.b5.0e X-Server-Date: 28 Feb 2003 12:50:04 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:34717 Date: 2003-02-28T12:50:04+00:00 List-Id: BTW: Just to follow-up on my own post and demonstrate that I practice what I preach... :-) I do have Ada projects going on and am actively looking to start new ones if I can sell the ideas to my customers. We are on the lookout for qualified people so if someone is interested in a position in South Florida, you can always send me your resume at mcondic (at) belcan (dot) com And Richard, I hope this didn't sound like I was in any way criticizing you. I guess I have been as frustrated with the whole conduct of "The Mandate" as any of us and I just see the proper response to the whole debacle as being one of "Lets forget 'The Mandate' and go forth and demonstrate Ada is better by building useful, successful products with it." If the DoD contractors had quit whining about Ada and just gone forth figuring out how to use it successfully to build *their* products, both they and Ada would have been better off. If we're right and Ada *is* better at building apps, then we ought to be able to make successful commercial products with it and out-compete the folks using C/C++/Java/etc. MDC -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/ Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ a c m . o r g "Going cold turkey isn't as delicious as it sounds." -- H. Simpson ====================================================================== Marin David Condic wrote in message news:b3nkfo$r8e$1@slb9.atl.mindspring.net... > If we build things in Ada, this starts making it more viable. When you hack > tools for your job, use Ada. When you look at new startup projects, use Ada. > Go out and dream up a product you might sell to the world and use Ada to > develop it. Successful businesses that use Ada will do a lot more to spur > Ada usage than anything else. It would create *jobs* that use Ada and people > go where the money is. Most of us here believe in Ada as a better way. We > need to demonstrate that to the world by using it to build better mousetraps > rather than try to convince through academic arguments. I think that the > development of some real-world apps with a little "Ada Inside" sticker in > the corner would do a lot more to promote Ada than anything else. Is anybody > out there building products with Ada to sell to people and generate jobs? If > not, Ada will become just a language of academic interest with lots of > academic arguments surrounding it. >