From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,912597791e813f68 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-01-21 06:01:03 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!feed.newsfeeds.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!151.164.30.35!cyclone.swbell.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: advantages or disadvantages of ADA over pascal or modula Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:00:49 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: References: <3E171612.E4E2972@t-online.de> <3E296128.4183B70A@t-online.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.b5.87 X-Server-Date: 21 Jan 2003 14:01:12 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:33291 Date: 2003-01-21T14:01:12+00:00 List-Id: Lots of stuff. Depends on the board. You could look at some of the web sites for various SBC manufacturers and see what they offer. Often you've got a kit that plugs into the PC - maybe with Ethernet and/or a UART. They've got bootstrap loaders, communication to the SBC for text I/O, on-board debugging facilities, off-board (PC based) debuggers, maybe some sort of executive or RTOS, a cross-compiler (obviously) with reasonably sophisticated linkage editors, maybe a real-time monitor, etc. All sorts of goodies. There's a lot more software than just a compiler targeting a chip. Also, there's all kinds of C code available for a variety of embedded development projects. You want a Java interpreter? Or maybe something to parse HTML? Or who-knows-what-else? Chances are, someone's got some C code you can incorporate in your box. Not that Ada doesn't have similar tools out there in many cases, but there sure can be a lot more effort to find them if they do exist. All that infrastructure starts to add up to a significant barrier to entry. If Ada wants to play, some developer has to feel secure that he's got all the same infrastructure or it adds cost and risk to the project. Again, remember that these are typically *small* developments so nobody wants to take time to assemble all the pieces or hack together whatever they need and if Ada has a benefit, it is likely to be marginal. Its a tough sale to make... MDC -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jast.mil/ Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ a c m . o r g "I'd trade it all for just a little more" -- Charles Montgomery Burns, [4F10] ====================================================================== Dale Stanbrough wrote in message news:dstanbro-98F327.07243820012003@mec2.bigpond.net.au... > > What sort of stuff goes into one of these kits? > > dale