From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,a1ce307c10055549 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-12-12 05:35:21 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!207.69.128.245.MISMATCH!beamish.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: IBM Acquires Rational Ada Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:34:47 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: References: <3DF1615C.7AAAC86E@adaworks.com> <3DF1B042.6603DDDE@easystreet.com> <3DF2A483.EC512CDF@adaworks.com> <8db3d6c8.0212091445.12594821@posting.google.com> <3DF628C4.7090607@cogeco.ca> <3DF6653D.3030603@cogeco.ca> <8db3d6c8.0212101850.51506572@posting.google.com> <3DF7901C.3000006@acm.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.bd.42 X-Server-Date: 12 Dec 2002 13:35:21 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:31737 Date: 2002-12-12T13:35:21+00:00 List-Id: I understand. I've collected similar data. I've seen other studies indicating the same thing. But all of these studies (of necessity) have the built-in caveat "All Other Things Being Equal". Someone who comes in the door with a truckload of libraries and development tools and natural bindings to the OS and other people's libraries and all that other stuff, simply isn't playing fair. :-) They've moved their ball a hundred yards closer to the pin while Ada has to tee off from the usual line. So what if Ada could develop all those libraries, tools, bindings, etc. and ultimately do a better job? The problem is they aren't there now and the project starts today. The guy who bought the cheesy, buggy, C++ compiler that came with the GUI wizard and magical debugger and the half-million lines of class-library code got his project out the door 6 months ahead of you because you're still building the interface bindings to the OS. I'm sympathetic to the notion that Ada actually is faster for development and I believe it because I've measured the results myself. However, there really is no getting around that "All Other Things Being Equal" caveat and right now the other guys are cheating while the Ada community can't even find a way to create a standard class library without a ten year language revision cycle. Is it any wonder that developers choose C++ or Java? MDC -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jast.mil/ Send Replies To: m c o n d i c @ a c m . o r g "I'd trade it all for just a little more" -- Charles Montgomery Burns, [4F10] ====================================================================== Jeffrey Carter wrote in message news:3DF7901C.3000006@acm.org... > > But where we have real data (Rational's metrics on Ada compiler > development in C and Ada), Ada was faster to completion as well as > having fewer errors which were easier to correct. >