From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,dbd35bb508093bd9 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-11-28 08:27:00 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!eusc.inter.net!cs.tu-berlin.de!uni-duisburg.de!not-for-mail From: Georg Bauhaus Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: New Ada compiler for .NET Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 16:26:59 +0000 (UTC) Organization: GMUGHDU Message-ID: References: <7823N817@web2news.com> <4519e058.0211270931.64615740@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: l1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de X-Trace: a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de 1038500819 28172 134.91.1.34 (28 Nov 2002 16:26:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.uni-duisburg.de NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 16:26:59 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: tin/1.5.8-20010221 ("Blue Water") (UNIX) (HP-UX/B.11.00 (9000/800)) Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:31290 Date: 2002-11-28T16:26:59+00:00 List-Id: Marin David Condic wrote: : Note the amount of damage that has been caused in the past by cyberpunks : spreading viruses, etc., costing large sums of money and other intangible : losses to businesses. Yes, but just hiding things by removing the possibility of access with a debugger contradicts everything the OS guys tell you about system security. They tell you, again and again, that the only way of testing and improving the security of a system is exposing its mechanism to attackers. Anything else is a delusion, false security. If a system cannot be protected from a debugger, then either the administration has forgotten to separate developement systems from production systems, or the system's security parts are severly flawed, aren't they? So, indeed, as you say, : We'd be far : wiser to fund the development of a much more secure OS and reduce the ways : in which cyberpunks or terrorists can do damage. (Maybe we can get a : government contract under the auspices of "Homeland Defense"? :-) (Hey, some of my best friends are punks, though leftist, yet ingenious business people, and some of them are securing servers for US companies, much to the satisfaction of their employers, installing tar pits etc. :-) -- georg