From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,df1a7f1c3c3bc77e X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: An Ada Advice Inquiry References: <463B7BBF.4080603@obry.net> <1178365901.15069.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> From: Markus E Leypold Organization: N/A Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 14:13:21 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Some cool user agent (SCUG) Cancel-Lock: sha1:m6FLWl+zHP8fmQ2swnznZsX0EW8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.72.250.189 X-Trace: news.arcor-ip.de 1178366703 88.72.250.189 (5 May 2007 14:05:03 +0200) X-Complaints-To: abuse@arcor-ip.de Path: g2news1.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.arcor-ip.de!news.arcor-ip.de!not-for-mail Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:15567 Date: 2007-05-05T14:13:21+02:00 List-Id: Georg Bauhaus writes: > On Sat, 2007-05-05 at 11:59 +0200, Michael Bode wrote: > >> I have have bit of trouble illustrating this point. Let's say an Ada >> tool set with which you can write cross platform CSS code for Linux >> and Windows costs you 28_000�. Then compare that to a >> Java/C/C++/Python tool set which meets the same requirements. I'd like >> to refer to some price lists in the 500� to 1000� range which I would >> call 'affordable'. My trouble is I can get all this for 0�. > > Ada's competition doesn't exactly charge 0� but a little to much > more the moment you buy support. *But*, many Python or Java "buyers" > don't buy support, because it isn't needed for a particular > business case. (You prefer working a few hours around infrequent > implementation bugs because cost(time) < cost(support)). Exactly. The Java version distributed without support is identical to the version for which you can buy support, though. > Enough people have expressed they could live with a next > to no support Ada solution. This matches the typical > Java, C#, or Python case. > A way out for Ada small shops might be to get organized > and join efforts to become selectable for Ada vendors > on some suitable terms. They could also sponsor FSF Gnat, including development to a stable baseline. > Not sure if any of the vendors will like the idea. No. > Would we have Java used everywhere if SUN charged the same > sums from everyone that larger Ada customers can pay? Regards -- Markus