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From: Colin Paul Gloster <Colin_Paul_Gloster@ACM.org>
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Subject: Re: Ada is getting more popular!
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Dmitry A. Kazakov <mailbox@Dmitry-Kazakov.De> sent on October 26th, 2010:
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|"On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 14:33:12 +0000, Colin Paul Gloster wrote:             |
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|> Do Chinese imports destroy the European economy or do excessively high   |
|> costs of living in Europe and excessively high salaries in Europe and    |
|> laziness of Europeans destroy the European economy?                      |
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|1. Excessively high costs of living as well as other things you mention are|
|the key parts of the European economy. So whatever causes them vanishing is|
|a destruction of that economy, for good or bad."                           |
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Good point.

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|"2. Considering the parameters you mention, excessively high cost of living|
|presumes that someone else pays for Europeans."                            |
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No, it is a high cost of living. If it is a proxy for someone else
paying for Europeans, then I am not aware of it but then neither am I
an economist. I interpret it as a bad legacy similar to inflation.

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|" That is not the case. [*]                                                |
|[..]                                                                       |
|* BTW, Germany even subsidizes China, which by some miraculous calculation |
|is counted as developing country."                                         |
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Shall the Federal so-called Republic of Germany stop subsidizing the
so-called Republic of Ireland during this century?

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|"Laziness presumes in this context that the average productivity of an     |
|European worker "                                                          |
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I do not know whether or not an average European worker is lazy. I do
not deem laziness to be anti-correlated with productivity.

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|"is lower than one of a Chinese worker. This is also wrong,                |
|very wrong."                                                               |
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I do not know much about Chinese workers. I imagine that average
Chinese workers are forced to work for much longer than average
European workers, whether or not they are lazy.

However, in Europe one has legal protection to enforce laziness if a
lazy person in Europe opts to. This may even be true in China, but I
suspect to a lesser extent. However, as I mentioned: I do not know.

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|"You compare admittedly lazy, decadent, hypocritical, cynical, and         |
|treacherous Europe with some ideal society, which firstly does not exist," |
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Europe does not have those personal attributes. Europe is not a
person.

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|"and secondly, from which China is eons more distant than that "nasty"     |
|Europe."                                                                   |
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There are definitely problems in China.

Regards,
Colin Paul