From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news-1.dfn.de!news.dfn.de!news.uni-weimar.de!medsec1.medien.uni-weimar.de!lucks From: Stefan.Lucks@uni-weimar.de Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: library/binding for sftp? Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:27:30 +0200 Organization: Bauhaus-Universitaet Weimar Message-ID: References: <85li4gmhrt.fsf@stephe-leake.org><2wgl8bcmdsu0$.1rs1604fzwufv.dlg@40tude.net><85vc3jfias.fsf@stephe-leake.org><1gwg87tgm2bo7$.ae7440ka6kmc.dlg@40tude.net><85bo59g6h7.fsf@stephe-leake.org><5987935c-dbce-4602-b0e6-2bb85513588b@googlegroups.com><9oo34px7j5ko$.1j7bcnxwzgcxe.dlg@40tude.net><20130808111404.5fc6ce14@hactar.xn--rombobjrn-67a.se><1nfcrgjw8vkrb.1aukq12ys882l$.dlg@40tude.net><20130808133709.09dfef98@hactar.xn--rombobjrn-67a.se> <20130809104904.6ca91de2@hactar.xn--rombobjrn-67a.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: medsec1.medien.uni-weimar.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="8323329-353763827-1377070052=:1344" X-Trace: tigger.scc.uni-weimar.de 1377070034 29708 141.54.178.228 (21 Aug 2013 07:27:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@tigger.scc.uni-weimar.de NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 07:27:14 +0000 (UTC) X-X-Sender: lucks@debian In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Alpine 2.10 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:16920 Date: 2013-08-21T09:27:30+02:00 List-Id: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323329-353763827-1377070052=:1344 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Tue, 20 Aug 2013, Randy Brukardt wrote: >> Randy, please check your logic. The sentence in question was >> "unfocused surveillance which works only with known protocols". >> This is logically equivalent to >> "unfocused surveillance does not work if at least one protocol is >> unknown." > > I don't see this at all. There is nothing in the original sentence which > implies exclusivity. My reading of the original sentence is different from yours'. Especially=20 when I take the original question about sftp into context. But we can=20 agree to disagree on this point. BTW, the Dewar rule makes sense for the Ada standards -- or other=20 standards as well -- but applying it to usenet postings is a stretch. ;-) > And I claim it is irrelevant. The use of the public internet is never ver= y > secure and you can be certain that at least basic behavior is monitored. Whatever you mean by "basic behaviour": You *can* communicate securely=20 over the internet, for some very reasonable notions of "secure". But=20 firstly, there is no "absolute security", and secondly, you pay a price.=20 Often, the price is inconvenience. In any case, your "we are all doomed"=20 attitude is too pessimistic. > I don't much care about the world outside of the US, at least as far as > living goes. (It's impractical to move somewhere where I don't understand > the language, and all English-speaking countries are as bad or worse than > the US.) What about Ireland? Also, the Republic of Malta might be an option for you (yes, they actually= =20 speak English there), and, in a few years, Scotland could became=20 independent as well. But hey, it is not so bad in the US! You have a secret court that secretly= =20 decides that it is secretly OK to secretly spy at you. So everything is=20 secretly legal, isn't it? (Well, this has become off topic for c.l.a, but= =20 I just couldn't resist.) ------ I love the taste of Cryptanalysis in the morning! ------ --Stefan.Lucks (at) uni-weimar.de, Bauhaus-Universit=E4t Weimar, Germany-- --8323329-353763827-1377070052=:1344--