From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx05.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!newsfeed.fsmpi.rwth-aachen.de!news-1.dfn.de!news.dfn.de!news.uni-weimar.de!medsec1.medien.uni-weimar.de!lucks From: Stefan.Lucks@uni-weimar.de Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Is this expected behavior or not Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 16:44:53 +0200 Organization: Bauhaus-Universitaet Weimar Message-ID: References: <1u72u7h5j4jg3$.wlxmaltyzqik.dlg@40tude.net> <1gnmajx2fdjju.1bo28xwmzt1nr.dlg@40tude.net> <3gv2jwc95otm.pl2aahsh9ox8.dlg@40tude.net> <1gkxiwepaxvtt$.u3ly33rbwthf.dlg@40tude.net> <1fmcdkj58brky.bjedt0pr39cd$.dlg@40tude.net> <1bj564vat3q1j$.1s4d00rlzx4ux$.dlg@40tude.net> <1cfhriq4xpg9s$.3yl33z705wpn$.dlg@40tude.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: medsec1.medien.uni-weimar.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="8323329-1021663433-1365172470=:31361" X-Trace: tigger.scc.uni-weimar.de 1365173165 20738 141.54.178.228 (5 Apr 2013 14:46:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@tigger.scc.uni-weimar.de NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 14:46:05 +0000 (UTC) X-X-Sender: lucks@debian In-Reply-To: <1cfhriq4xpg9s$.3yl33z705wpn$.dlg@40tude.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) Content-ID: Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:14872 Date: 2013-04-05T16:44:53+02:00 List-Id: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323329-1021663433-1365172470=:31361 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: On Fri, 5 Apr 2013, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: >> Numbers, naturals, integers, rationals and reals, are semantically exact= ly >> same except for encoding [representation] and constraints. > > A quite common misunderstanding. Structure such as field is not same as a > subset. To see the difference between R and Z consider the following > predicate: > > forall x in S exists y such as x=3D1/y [multiplicative inverse] > > This is true for S=3DR and false for S=3DZ. Fair enough! But the same is true for N and Z: every in Z has an additive inverse, but= =20 not every number in N. If the non-existence of a multiplicative inverse=20 would justify different root types for Z and R, why should the=20 non-existence of an additive inverse not justify different root types for= =20 N and Z (Universal_Positive versus Universal_Integer). As it turns out, the fact that Naturals and Positives have the same=20 representation as Integers, while Float has a different one, matters more= =20 than any "mathematical structure" ... ------ I love the taste of Cryptanalysis in the morning! ------ --Stefan.Lucks (at) uni-weimar.de, Bauhaus-Universit=E4t Weimar, Germany-- --8323329-1021663433-1365172470=:31361--