From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!q33g2000pra.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Ludovic Brenta Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Will the defect with formal package parameters be fixed in GNAT GPL 2009? Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 05:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: <558b7171-809b-4259-8679-4b4cff9de519@b6g2000pre.googlegroups.com> <75p7uoF17umq6U1@mid.individual.net> <76bd0952-f85c-44f5-80ae-b0916a699a35@c18g2000prh.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 153.98.68.197 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1241093830 31975 127.0.0.1 (30 Apr 2009 12:17:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:17:10 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: q33g2000pra.googlegroups.com; posting-host=153.98.68.197; posting-account=pcLQNgkAAAD9TrXkhkIgiY6-MDtJjIlC User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.10) Gecko/2009042316 Firefox/3.0.10,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:5624 Date: 2009-04-30T05:17:10-07:00 List-Id: Eric Hughes wrote: > AdaCore has a no support policy for GPL users, which means to me that > I expect to be ignored. Other with different experiences assure me > otherwise, yet these are not my experiences but theirs. I would be > perfectly happy to have someone else, perhaps one of those with > different experiences, lay claim to the defect and report it. So, you expect AdaCore to ignore your bug reports, but expect people on comp.lang.ada to report your bugs for you and not get ignored? I fail to see the logic in this. > These days, not supporting the free software penumbra around a > platform is a recipe for slow failure. [...] It seems to me as though you're not really complaining that AdaCore does not support the "free software penumbra" (which you understand) but that "the free software penumbra" does not support you. AdaCore does support the free software "penumbra" by providing their source code under terms of the GPL. The return on this investment consists of new users and several external contributors who provide additional software or improvements to the existing software. AdaCore sell services such as packaging and bug fixes, so it would not be in their best interests to provide the same service for free that they provide to paying customers. You understand that and you expect to be ignored but I can also understand that some here have taken offense at your attitude consisting in (a) refusing to report your bug properly in a bug database, (b) expecting other people to do that for you, and (c) threatening not to use Ada if volunteers nobody fixes your bug. > My advice is that listening is a more productive response than blaming. My advice, if you want your bug fixed, is to get a support contract from AdaCore. Failing that, you can still report your bug on GCC's bugzilla database (http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla) and offer a bounty to whoever fixes it for you. -- Ludovic Brenta.