From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,60e2922351e0e780 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-11-09 06:27:23 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: martin.dowie@btopenworld.com (Martin Dowie) Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Clause "with and use" Date: 9 Nov 2003 06:27:23 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: for reply from news@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no> <3FA777E9.4030605@noplace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 20.138.254.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1068388043 8064 127.0.0.1 (9 Nov 2003 14:27:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 14:27:23 +0000 (UTC) Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:2281 Date: 2003-11-09T06:27:23-08:00 List-Id: 18k11tm001@sneakemail.com (Russ) wrote in message news:... [snip] > I never called anyone an idiot for not using "+=" (as your statement > above implies), nor did I ever call anyone an idiot for opposing > augmented assignment operators in Ada. As far as I can recall, all I > said is that any professional programmer who has difficulty grasping > the concept of "+=", or who considers it "unreadable," must be an > idiot. I will add that I don't think anyone who is intelligent enough > to become a professional programmer could possibly fall into that > category. For my part I don't find it unreadable, but I have found it _unreliable_ in languages like C/C++ (just yesterday, in fact!). Yesterdays bug was a case of "i+-2" instead of "i+=2". Now that would clearly be caught by the compiler with your proposal as it's changed a statement into an expression. But I think it shows the 'baggage' that this sort of short form comes with. FUD.