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From: Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid>
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Subject: Re: Ada, the best language with the not-so-best tool chain
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On 12-10-24 19:57 , Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) wrote:
> Le Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:41:56 +0200, Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
> a écrit:
> 
>> "Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)" <yannick_duchene@yahoo.fr> writes:
>>> Talking about Ravenscar, you may better think of it as a profile,
>>> while SPARK, as _based_ on an Ada subset.
>>
>> As another matter, if GCC can compile C for a given target, is it likely
>> to be terribly difficult to use GNAT on that target?
> 
> My personal thinking is not a lot reliable, but I would notice two
> things. The first is that GCC stands for GNU C Compiler;

Just to pick a nit, that may have been the original meaning of "GCC",
but the current expansion is "GNU Compiler Collection", I believe. Or
sometimes "GNU Compiler Caller", to emphasize that the gcc program is
not a compiler itself, but calls the suitable compilers from the GNU
Compiler Collection.

> and the second
> is that there were indeed some issue with the intermediate language it
> use, which shown (in the past), to not be very well suited for Ada or at
> least GNAT (or just its runtime?).

There is, or at least used to be, a general belief that GCC internals
are better suited for 16-bit, 32-bit, and wider processors, than for
small 8-bit processors. Even the C compiler part of GCC is not so often
used for 8-bit processors; the AVR is an exceptional case.

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Niklas Holsti
Tidorum Ltd
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