From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,f51e93dacd9c7fca X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-06-20 06:43:42 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-x2.support.nl!psinet-eu-nl!psiuk-p4!uknet!psiuk-p3!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: status of Ada STL? Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 12:05:43 -0400 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: References: <3D0D18D5.2020601@telepath.com> <4519e058.0206170611.260a3951@posting.google.com> <4519e058.0206180630.b6ef8cd@posting.google.com> <4519e058.0206190619.1ee07e80@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp-200-133.miami.pace.co.uk X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 1024502744 27487 136.170.200.133 (19 Jun 2002 16:05:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.cam.pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 2002 16:05:44 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:26481 Date: 2002-06-19T16:05:44+00:00 List-Id: "Ted Dennison" wrote in message news:4519e058.0206190619.1ee07e80@posting.google.com... > > Personally, I'm not sure I believe that. However, I happen to like > them a lot myself. So if some people having this attitude gets more > Ada libraries and development tools made, who am I to complain? :-) > Well, not *every* customer is driven by spiffy IDE's and libraries. It depends a lot on your target environment and applications. But certainly *lots* of developers are driven by it. (Difficult to prove or disprove, but if the market is any indication - look how many Microsoft has sold?) And I agree that if saying "its important" gets more/better tools built, then I'm willing to say it. :-) > > Sort of. There was such a campaign, but it was largely user evangelism > driven. What also worked to C's benifit was that it rode the Unix > wave. Unix *was* heavily pushed by a lot of different hardware vendors > (Sun again being one). If you got Unix, you got C. Other compilers had > to be purchased (or built). This is very similar to the mechanisim > that Microsoft today uses to push things like IE and Windows Media > Player. Well, O.K. It was maybe not a well organized media extravaganza, ala Sun/Java or Microsoft/Win95, but it was a kind of marketing campaign. And it may not have been all that deliberate on the part of AT&T - by the time Sun got to it, Unix/C was already a well entrenched thing. Not all languages had a campaign such as this. How did Fortran or Cobol catch on? Demand was there and the product just showed up - no real effort necessary. But just because languages caught on without media campaigns isn't to say that a marketing campaign isn't a good idea. The problem is finding someone to fund it. MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com